Winter's Lady Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Dany having no idea what she is doing, walking into a funeral pyre, making it out alive and hatching three dragons on the way...that's the biggest one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in the South Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Wikipedia on the subject:For example:Given what we learn of Stannis throughout the books, and how the last Davos chapter ended, the event is both in character for the participants and properly foreshadowed. The timing was convenient, for sure, but I don't think it's enough to qualify as a DEM.My problem really is the timing. The entire series is ridiculed with inconsistencies of how long it takes to travel and the like. In some instances, characters traverse nearly the entirety Westeros in the span of 5-6 chapters, in others it takes them close to a whole book just to go halfway. (And it's not like one of them was riding a thoroughbred and the other was walking or anything.) And the fact that Stannis arrived right as Jon was about to make the most fateful decision of his life.... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Dany having no idea what she is dong, walking into a funeral pyre, making it out alive and hatching three dragons on the way...that's the biggest one for me.Yeah I'd say that's pretty much the gold standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 DEM. An object burried randomly and conviniently in wast lands brings down the greatest enemy.Not a DEM - it's largely the backstory behind that part of the plot. The buried object was a weapon designed to bring down that enemy, and was (probably) for recovery later on when that enemy reappeared.Dany having no idea what she is doing, walking into a funeral pyre, making it out alive and hatching three dragons on the way...that's the biggest one for me.Yep, almost the very definition of Deus Ex Macchina - only with Dragons instead of the Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lykos Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 @The King in the SouthBurning a Florent alive will give your fleet some extra " ears " to catch the " screams ", but I see you´re point. I was so happy to see Stannis heeding Davos, that I gladly overlooked this. So I declare it one of the best Deus Ex Machina moment.Edit for grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redriver Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Stannis at the wall is the only true Deus Ex Machina moment,imo.The rest are different types of plot device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeyouintee Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Stannis at the wall is the only true Deus Ex Machina moment,imo.The rest are different types of plot device.I agree. Dany coming out of the fire with dragons was pretty expected. Stannis showing up at the wall was a little thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Stannis showing up at the wall was a little thin.Even though Jon had written the kings to ask for aid and Davos had convinced Stannis to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkash Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 The Deus Ex Machina of Stannis at the Wall is that, like the Cavalry, arrived at the last moment... yes he coming was forshadowed, but the timing is really DEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 The Deus Ex Machina of Stannis at the Wall is that, like the Cavalry, arrived at the last moment... yes he coming was forshadowed, but the timing is really DEM.When should he have come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkash Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I dunno, not saying that the timing is bad or good, just really convenient to bring suspens and thrill until the last moment...It was like, you know: all is lost, despair everywhere on the Wall, and then, suddenly: NO ! *epic music ala Helm's Deep*, charge of the cavalry, hope and light coming back to the hearts of the good people of the Night's Watch and hurray hurray, all is good.*And to be honest, I found this a little bit too much and convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Snake No. 9 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Lord Mormont's raven popping out of the kettle and saying "Snow" during the voting for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.if you believe that the raven is being warged by Bloodraven, who is now mostly weirwood, and because weirwoods are considered gods by the COTFthen you have a real Deus in the Machina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redriver Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 When should he have come?I don't see it as a criticism.In this complex work where so many threads of plot have to synchronise,a DEM or two is forgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redriver Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Lord Mormont's raven popping out of the kettle and saying "Snow" during the voting for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.if you believe that the raven is being warged by Bloodraven, who is now mostly weirwood, and because weirwoods are considered gods by the COTFthen you have a real Deus in the Machina.I think Sam had done the groundwork for this already.The raven is kind of a boost to the resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 None of these really qualify for a Deus ex Machina. The Stannis saving Jon one comes closest but that had tons of proper build up with a firm place in Davos' and Stannis' story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeyouintee Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Even though Jon had written the kings to ask for aid and Davos had convinced Stannis to go?Yes. Dany getting the dragons was pretty heavily foreshadowed and I definitely saw and reasoned the story going in that direction. Stannis showing up at the wall was not a very character-driven choice. It's understandable, but somewhat out of character and is relatively tenuously related only to Mellisandre's prophecies which have hijacked Stannis' character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeyouintee Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 None of these really qualify for a Deus ex Machina. The Stannis saving Jon one comes closest but that had tons of proper build up with a firm place in Davos' and Stannis' story.I actually agree here too. This, like the 'plotholes' thread, is pretty much based on thing's you have trouble believing rather than actual Deus ex machina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Content Peasant Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Well at least one thing's for certain.GRRM =/= JK Rowling or HG Wells(Hah, bacteria.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Baratheon Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 My problem really is the timing. The entire series is ridiculed with inconsistencies of how long it takes to travel and the like. In some instances, characters traverse nearly the entirety Westeros in the span of 5-6 chapters, in others it takes them close to a whole book just to go halfway. (And it's not like one of them was riding a thoroughbred and the other was walking or anything.) And the fact that Stannis arrived right as Jon was about to make the most fateful decision of his life.... :rolleyes:Yea also i would like to point out how Aegon 6th arrived and conquered storm's end and the southern minor houses(tarth,stepstones) in like what,about 200-300 pages that he's got screentime in the books?And Daenerys takes about 400 pages to reach quarth? About 600 pages of ruling mereene??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Baratheon Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Best DEM:stannis saving the day at the end of ASOSWorst DEM:Renly's death by a shadow omfg really!??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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