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One thing I saw interesting was on page 298 of the paperback version of GoT was when LF was talking to Sansa during the tourney,



"Your mother was my queen of beauty once," the man said quietly. His breath smelled of mint. "You have her hair." His fingers brushed against her cheek as he stroked one auburn lock. Quite abruptly he turned and walked away.



I think this part is interesting because his lust towards Sansa started way before his kiss at The Eyrie. He obviously was very careful at this point but when he kissed her much later on he didn't really care because, as far as he knows, everyone in her family is dead; her father, mother, brothers(not including Jon). Any thoughts?


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One thing I saw interesting was on page 298 of the paperback version of GoT was when LF was talking to Sansa during the tourney,

"Your mother was my queen of beauty once," the man said quietly. His breath smelled of mint. "You have her hair." His fingers brushed against her cheek as he stroked one auburn lock. Quite abruptly he turned and walked away.

I think this part is interesting because his lust towards Sansa started way before his kiss at The Eyrie. He obviously was very careful at this point but when he kissed her much later on he didn't really care because, as far as he knows, everyone in her family is dead; her father, mother, brothers(not including Jon). Any thoughts?

Sansa's connections to the Vale were being foreshadowed early on.

Jon Arryn's death eventually costs Sansa her protectors.

Ser Hugh's death makes her think about what would happen if she lost her protectors (her father, Ser Rodrik, Jory).

And Littlefinger, who promises to be Sansa's protector but it's actually a danger to her, involved in both cases.

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When Melisandre is talking about the glamor used on Mance to make him look like Rattleshirt -

"The strongest glamors are built of such things. A dead man's boots, a hank of hair, a bag of fingerbones."

A bag of fingerbones...like the ones Davos lost??

I thought of this too.

From aDwD prologue:

"One skinchanger can always sense another. Mance should have let me take the direwolf. There would be a

second life worthy of a king."
Also I've been thinking about Rickon lately and found this two parts in an essay about something else, but this two toghether... I don't know...
"With Rickon by their side, the Walders plundered the kitchens for pies and honeycombs, raced round the walls, tossed bones to the pups in the kennels, and trained with wooden swords under Ser Rodrik’s sharp eye. Rickon even showed them the deep vaults under the earth where the stonemason was carving father’s tomb. “You had no right!” Bran screamed at his brother when he heard. “That was our place, a Stark place!But Rickon never cared."
and:
"His baby brother had been wild as a winter storm since he learned Robb was riding off to war, weeping and angry by turns. He’d refused to eat, cried and screamed for most of a night, even punched Old Nan when she tried to sing him to sleep, and the next day he’d vanished. Robb had set half the castle searching for him, and when at last they’d found him down in the crypts, Rickon had slashed at them with a rusted iron sword he’d snatched from a dead king’s hand, and Shaggydog had come slavering out of the darkness like a green-eyed demon."
I'm not so sure that Rickon will be coming back to continue the Stark legacy or that he will care..
PS: I really want Davos to find him and bring him back, Rickon to be the Lord of Winterfell, all hard and savage like the Kings of Winter, and for Shaggy to eat Ramsay alive.
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"Your mother was my queen of beauty once," the man said quietly. His breath smelled of mint. "You have her hair." His fingers brushed against her cheek as he stroked one auburn lock. Quite abruptly he turned and walked away.

I agree that Littlefinger was definitely attracted to her from the moment they met; but also, I can't help but get a Rhaegar/Lyanna vibe here. The man is a much more powerful person within the kingdom, both betrothed to a baratheon who would become king, neither Lyanna nor Sansa ends up married to Robert/Joffrey. Littlefinger takes Sansa into hiding for himself...I can't help but wonder if maybe Littlefinger's obsession ends up costing both of them their lives

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“The wind swirled around him as he stood facing the dark, naked and empty-handed.”

“When he turned away from the window at last, his voice was tired and full of melancholy, and moisture glittered faintly in the corners of his eyes. “My father went south once, to answer the summons of a king. He never came home again.”

“Catelyn, you shall stay here in Winterfell.”

His words were like an icy draft through her heart. “No,” she said, suddenly afraid. Was this to be her punishment? Never to see his face again, nor to feel his arms around her?”

Eddard's fate, from his ineptitude in dealing with court intrigue, to his death, laid out in chapter 6 of book 1.

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From Chapter 4, Eddard of AGOT:


(Lyanna had only been sixteen, a child-woman of surpassing loveliness.) Ned had loved her with all his heart.



From Chapter 6, Catelyn of AGOT:


Whoever Jon’s mother had been, Ned must have loved her fiercely...



It struck me on reread how similar these lines were with how close together they were in the book.


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I've been doing some thinking about Sandor's scar. It's black. So far I've found no real life evidence that burn scars turn black.



In Braavos the priests and acolytes of The House of Black and White carry clothes half black and half white. Sandor's black scar covers approximately half his face. A hint he's somehow marked to serve death?



The peculiar nature of Sandor's scar has intrigued me for long. Is there another thread about it somewhere?


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How about this line from AGot?



Theon Greyjoy had once commented that Hodor did not know much, but no one could doubt that he knew his name. Old Nan had cackled like a hen when Bran told her that, and confessed that Hodor's real name was Walder.



Who would think at first reading that such an innocent little detail can be a hint about Theon's fate?


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Who would think at first reading that such an innocent little detail can be a hint about Theon's fate?

“My lady, you should have sent word of your coming,” Ser Donnel Waynwood told her as their horses climbed the pass. “We would have sent an escort. The high road is not as safe as it once was, for a party as small as yours.”

“We learned that to our sorrow, Ser Donnel,” Catelyn said. Sometimes she felt as though her heart had turned to stone; six brave men had died to bring her this far, and she could not even find it in her to weep for them. Even their names were fading.

This too.

“The woman is important too!” Arya protested.

Jon chuckled. “Perhaps you should do the same thing, little sister. Wed Tully to Stark in your arms.”

A wolf with a fish in its mouth?” It made her laugh. “That would look silly.”

… and her jaw closed around a pale white arm. She shook it to make it move, but there was only death and blood in her mouth. By now she was tiring, and it was all she could do to pull the body back to shore. As she dragged it up the muddy bank, one of her little brothers came prowling, his tongue lolling from his mouth. She had to snarl to drive him off, or else he would have fed. Only then did she stop to shake the water from her fur. The white thing lay facedown in the mud, her dead flesh wrinkled and pale, cold blood trickling from her throat. Rise, she thought. Rise and eat and run with us.

And this.

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I think its a small reference to the red wedding. It occurs when Catelyn tells Brienne of "bran and rickon"'s death.



I was certain the boys would be safe so long as their direwolves were with them. Like Robb with his Grey Wind



Robb had to leave Grey Wind outside when he arrived at the Crossing


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Not sure if this is the place for this but I've just started re reading "agot" and in the 4th bran chapter tyrion calls in to winterfell on his way back from the wall to give bran the plans for his custom saddle. when the dire wolves enter the hall they immediately attack tyrion before being called off. just looking for any thoughts on the significance of this in the grand scheme of things, as I was starting to think tyrion was one of the good guys.


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In Theon's very first chapter, he's given chambers in Pyke in which, a thousand years ago, sons of the River King had been slaughtered and hacked to bits, so that pieces could be sent back to their father on the mainland. Pieces of princes.



And also this: "But Greyjoys were not murdered in Pyke except once in a great while by their brothers..." Like Balon and Euron?


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I just found this from GoT but it's in finnish so I'll do my best translating it. In the first chapter of Daenerys, on the day Dany was introduced to Khal Drogo Illyrio Mopatis said something like this: "Look at her. That silver hair, those purple eyes... she clearly is Valyria's blood, clearly... and highborn, old king's daughter and new one's sister."

I feel like Illyrio hides something behind those words. This got me think that by the new king Illyrio meant Aegon. So that would mean Daenerys is Rhaegar's and Lyanna's daughter. After all, Illyrio didn't believe in Viserys that much but was working with putting Aegon on the iron throne.

This may seem little bit like crazy fanboy theory (like it is), but I hope it makes sense.

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In A Clash of Kings, Theon II, Asha makes a very interesting comment about Theon's ignorance:



"If you had troubled to learn the first thing of Sigrin, I could never have fooled you. Ten years a wolf, and you land here and think to prince about the islands, but you know nothing and no one. Why should men fight and die for you?"



I can't help but think of Jon Snow discovering he's the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and trying to take his rightful place as the prince (that was promised), or king.


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I just found this from GoT but it's in finnish so I'll do my best translating it. In the first chapter of Daenerys, on the day Dany was introduced to Khal Drogo Illyrio Mopatis said something like this: "Look at her. That silver hair, those purple eyes... she clearly is Valyria's blood, clearly... and highborn, old king's daughter and new one's sister."

I feel like Illyrio hides something behind those words. This got me think that by the new king Illyrio meant Aegon. So that would mean Daenerys is Rhaegar's and Lyanna's daughter. After all, Illyrio didn't believe in Viserys that much but was working with putting Aegon on the iron throne.

This may seem little bit like crazy fanboy theory (like it is), but I hope it makes sense.

1) EDIT: Never mind this.

For your Rhaegar / Lyanna theory: Just how?

2) I've read some theories on here that the Others speak a language that is basically a set of natural sounds.

Prologue, AGOT

Somewhere off in the wood a wolf howled.

I've noticed these sentences:

Jon I, AGOT

There are still direwolves beyond the Wall. We hear them on our rangings.

Can this be the Others communicating, and the Night's Watch members are just unaware? I don't deny that it could really just direwolves, but I'll be damned.

Tyrion III, AGOT

Far off to the north, a wolf began to howl. Another voice picked up the call, then another. Ghost cocked his head and listened.

Why doesn't Ghost give a damn? Does he reply only to the other direwolves from his litter? Or he knows what's up?

3) Night's Watch vs Kingsguard (Black vs White) both protecting the realm and serving the kingdom, neither party can take wives or inherit anything. I'm sure someone else could list more similarities.

4) Lysa's throne in the Eyrie is made out of weirwood. I just don't understand why.

5) Ned's promise to Lyanna: Currently I'm gathering evidence for this but, here's what I think happened. Lyanna gave birth to Jon Snow, and since Robert was hellbent on destroying Targaryens, she made him promise to hide her child, even if it meant lying to their family and everybody else. (Although, come to think of it: was Robert's bloodlust triggered by Lyanna's death?) If not because of Robert, then because of any ambitious House that saw Aegon VI as a threat.

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I'm halfway through my ASOS re-read and have just re-read the Red Wedding chapters, and it's so painfully obvious in hindsight how many lines and moments were foreshadowing what was going to happen soon... Catelyn VI (the Cat chapter at the Twins just preceding the wedding chapter) is full of them. Walder Frey, in hindsight, practically says what is going to happen, but his words would seem innocent to anyone not knowing what's going to happen.



Especially when you compare it to the "crossing" game that Little and Big Walder played with Bran and Rickon in Winterfell in ACOK:




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The game was played with a log, a staff, a body of water, and a great deal of shouting. The water was the most important, Walder and Walder assured Bran. You could use a plank or even a series of stones, and a branch could be your staff. You didn’t have to shout. But without water, there was no game. As Maester Luwin and Ser Rodrik were not about to let the children go wandering off into the wolfswood in search of a stream, they made do with one of the murky pools in the godswood. Walder and Walder had never seen hot water bubbling from the ground before, but they both allowed how it would make the game even better.


Both of them were called Walder Frey. Big Walder said there were bunches of Walders at the Twins, all named after the boys’ grandfather, Lord Walder Frey. “We have our own names at Winterfell,” Rickon told them haughtily when he heard that.


The way their game was played, you laid the log across the water, and one player stood in the middle with the stick. He was the lord of the crossing, and when one of the other players came up, he had to say, “I am the lord of the crossing, who goes there?” And the other player had to make up a speech about who they were and why they should be allowed to cross. The lord could make them swear oaths and answer questions. They didn’t have to tell the truth, but the oaths were binding unless they said “Mayhaps,” so the trick was to say “Mayhaps” so the lord of the crossing didn’t notice. Then you could try and knock the lord into the water and you got to be lord of the crossing, but only if you’d said “Mayhaps.” Otherwise you were out of the game. The lord got to knock anyone in the water anytime he pleased, and he was the only one who got to use a stick.


In practice, the game seemed to come down to mostly shoving, hitting, and falling into the water, along with a lot of loud arguments about whether or not someone had said “Mayhaps.” Little Walder was lord of the crossing more often than not.



And then just before the wedding (Catelyn VI, ASOS):



“Enough,” Lord Walder broke in. “You may weep and whisper after you’re wed, heh. Benfrey, see your sister back to her chambers, she has a wedding to prepare for. And a bedding, heh, the sweetest part. For all, for all.” His mouth moved in and out. “We’ll have music, such sweet music, and wine, heh, the red will run, and we’ll put some wrongs aright. But now you’re weary, and wet as well, dripping on my floor. There’s fires waiting for you, and hot mulled wine, and baths if you want ‘em. Lothar, show our guests to their quarters.”


“I need to see my men across the river, my lord,” Robb said.


“They shan’t get lost,” Lord Walder complained. “They’ve crossed before, haven’t they? When you came down from the north. You wanted crossing and I gave it to you, and you never said mayhaps, heh. But suit yourself. Lead each man across by the hand if you like, it’s naught to me.”
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I was re-reading AGOT and came across this from a Bran chapter directly following Ned's death, and it's surely a nod to the R+L=J theory?

"I dreamed about that crow again last night. The one with three eyes. He flew into my bedchamber and told me to come with him, so I did. We went down to the crypts. Father was there. He was sad" "And why was that?" Maester Luwin peered through his tube. "It was something to do about Jon I think"

I'm pretty sure someone has flagged this before but id never seen it on here and it caught my eye.

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I was re-reading AGOT and came across this from a Bran chapter directly following Ned's death, and it's surely a nod to the R+L=J theory?

"I dreamed about that crow again last night. The one with three eyes. He flew into my bedchamber and told me to come with him, so I did. We went down to the crypts. Father was there. He was sad" "And why was that?" Maester Luwin peered through his tube. "It was something to do about Jon I think"

I'm pretty sure someone has flagged this before but id never seen it on here and it caught my eye.

I think he was sad because he didn't get to talk with Jon about his mother. While I strongly believe R+L=J, I'm still gathering evidence for this, and I still haven't read the novellas and the world book, so please no spoilers.

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