Uther Dragonbone Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Any viable plan would have to require a base in the reach or westerlands. The iron islands, the north, and river lands have no resources of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 There are two things you need1 - A legitimate claim. People argue about what a legitimate claim is exactly but in the books you need to be a Baratheon or a Targaryen.2 - Powerful allies. The two most powerful are the Tyrell's and the Lannister's. The Stark's are also up there, but can raise fewer swords than the Tyrells and are poorer than the Lannisters. What I am getting at here is that one kingdom is not enough to hold the others in check. Jon Arryn had the right idea. He formed a coalition consisting of Stark/Baratheon/Arryn/Tully/Lannister through marriage. That would have been enough but Jon Arryn didnt count on Cersei being a complete basket case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naathi Prince Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 There are two things you need1 - A legitimate claim. People argue about what a legitimate claim is exactly but in the books you need to be a Baratheon or a Targaryen.2 - Powerful allies. The two most powerful are the Tyrell's and the Lannister's. The Stark's are also up there, but can raise fewer swords than the Tyrells and are poorer than the Lannisters. What I am getting at here is that one kingdom is not enough to hold the others in check. Jon Arryn had the right idea. He formed a coalition consisting of Stark/Baratheon/Arryn/Tully/Lannister through marriage. That would have been enough but Jon Arryn didnt count on Cersei being a complete basket case.Yea, Cersei kind of ruined everything. A Baratheon-Lannister dynasty that married a Stark-Tully girl would have been an excellent thing for the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Yea, Cersei kind of ruined everything. A Baratheon-Lannister dynasty that married a Stark-Tully girl would have been an excellent thing for the realm.It would have guarenteed the loyalty of Lannister, Stark and Tully bannermen. And honestly who is to say that a true Baratheon born of Robert would not have charmed the Stormlands the way his father had, the Stormalnds chose Renly because they loved him and hated Joffrey. But if they loved Eddard I (Come on Robert, Ned and Jon named their kids after you, return the favour!) they may have stayed loyal, leaving Renly with just the Tyrells and possibly Dornish. I like those odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Visenya Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I would send Lord Arya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studlymuffin Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Wouldn't she be Lady Arya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Visenya Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 No, I jokingly established with someone else that Arya would be a great Sith Lord, they are very equal oppitunites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naathi Prince Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 It would have guarenteed the loyalty of Lannister, Stark and Tully bannermen. And honestly who is to say that a true Baratheon born of Robert would not have charmed the Stormlands the way his father had, the Stormalnds chose Renly because they loved him and hated Joffrey. But if they loved Eddard I (Come on Robert, Ned and Jon named their kids after you, return the favour!) they may have stayed loyal, leaving Renly with just the Tyrells and possibly Dornish. I like those odds.I doubt Renly declares if Joffrey isn't an evil little shit and Stannis isn't so unlikable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studlymuffin Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 No, I jokingly established with someone else that Arya would be a great Sith Lord, they are very equal oppitunites.I see, wouldn't it be Darth Arya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordsaint Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I would choose Robb. Then send mom back to Winterfell, wait a LONG ass time for marriage. Bang some whores with my good friend Theon. And liter the South the with Lannister dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I would choose Robb. Then send mom back to Winterfell, wait a LONG ass time for marriage. Bang some whores with my good friend Theon. And liter the South the with Lannister dead.As good a plan as any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I doubt Renly declares if Joffrey isn't an evil little shit and Stannis isn't so unlikable.Its up for debate. Renly was an egomaniac and legitimatey thought he would be a better king than all of them because he was liked. Maybe he still would have declared just because he thought so much of himself and the Tyrells kept supporting him and whispering in his ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I think renly would not have declared if ned was in power and in charge of joff. He seemed to be trying to keep cercei out of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Killdragon Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I'd find the Horn of Joramun and give the Barantheons(Lannisters a pretty simple ultimatum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenshi Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 1. Wed Arianne2. Together ensure all the Dornish wine is poisoned before shipping it to all the kings (they love their wine, don't they?)(optional) 3. Get Arianne drunk in Winterfell and burn her to resurrect Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet-N-SourRobin Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Dragons.It worked really well the last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StannisBamfatheon Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I would choose Robb. Then send mom back to Winterfell, wait a LONG ass time for marriage. Bang some whores with my good friend Theon. And liter the South the with Lannister dead. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:And Robb does just that, the young wolf ALL DAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I'd get the small folk hooked on tobacco, cocaine, reality TV and internet porn, and make sure I controlled the supply. Maybe some trans fats and bath salts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naathi Prince Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Its up for debate. Renly was an egomaniac and legitimatey thought he would be a better king than all of them because he was liked. Maybe he still would have declared just because he thought so much of himself and the Tyrells kept supporting him and whispering in his ear.then why go to Ned and tell him to secure Joffrey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 then why go to Ned and tell him to secure Joffrey?It serves his purpose. He wanted Joffrey in custody with him ruling, Ned was something to help that happen. I picture a scenario like the one Barristan had after Dany left Mereen but instead of a council Renly wanted it to be mostly him. He loved the attention, what better attention than to have Joffrey confined while he rules and the commons faun over their handsome Renly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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