E-Ro Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Stannis is mel's puppet and she is doomed, so therefore i believe stannis will either die with mel or give up his claim to Dany. Robert got the throne through schemes and plots not conquering on the battlefield.Ahem bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaSome Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Ahem bullshit.whatever you say ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic751 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 No. the kingslayer and Tywins betrayal won him the crown and murdering children furthered his 15 mins of fame. Not honorably winning a war.I think the war and Jamies role were equal in the usurping. Imagine the bloodshed of the undeployed 7 kingdoms army in kings landing and all the lords in the land have their banners at ready. Every person with an army would try to put a stake in the claim. it would be chaos. They had to subdue the realm before the could take the kingdom. Killing the king although a huge statement is by far the least significant part of what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaSome Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I think the war and Jamies role were equal in the usurping. Imagine the bloodshed of the undeployed 7 kingdoms army in kings landing and all the lords in the land have their banners at ready. Every person with an army would try to put a stake in the claim. it would be chaos. They had to subdue the realm before the could take the kingdom. Killing the king although a huge statement is by far the least significant part of what happened.True, but all of these so called shortcuts is whats causing all of the current bloodshed. Lannister betrays targ, frey betrays stark...it just keeps going. I dont believe traitors should be recognized as royalty me myself, but to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic751 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Traitor is a word winners can use. outside of that it has no reference. every now and then a revolution is good for a society, it shakes things up and helps it evolve. but sometimes whores and liars like the lannisters take the reins and drive the world into chaos through a swollen ego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Grind his teeth at the thought of another usurper needing to be destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab aeterno Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Stannis is mel's puppet and she is doomed, so therefore i believe stannis will either die with mel or give up his claim to Dany. Robert got the throne through schemes and plots not conquering on the battlefield.I'm not sure... from what we have seen, Mel seems to be settling in at the Wall while Stannis, although still believing that he has to protect the realm in the north, seems to be moving away from Mel. We seem to be seeing more of the Stannis that Davos rememberes rather than the one who was about to burn Edric Storm. That's only my opinion but that is the impression he got. I don't know whether he'll survive or not- he might be just that grey mix who gets to survive to the end- but I don't think his fate is tied to Mel's. They may both die, or one or the other might die, but I can't see them dying together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaSome Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'm not sure... from what we have seen, Mel seems to be settling in at the Wall while Stannis, although still believing that he has to protect the realm in the north, seems to be moving away from Mel. We seem to be seeing more of the Stannis that Davos rememberes rather than the one who was about to burn Edric Storm. That's only my opinion but that is the impression he got. I don't know whether he'll survive or not- he might be just that grey mix who gets to survive to the end- but I don't think his fate is tied to Mel's. They may both die, or one or the other might die, but I can't see them dying together.i cant see mel surviving honestly. Between burning people and killing renly karmas bound to catch up with her..always does in stories like this. thats why i feel stannis putting too much faith in her will lead to his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Jay Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I agree with the sentiments that Stannis will not take kindly to yet another claimant entering the war. His attitude will remain "Bend a knee or be destroyed". Dany and Stannis can not co-exist. Dany hates the Baratheons as usurpers, Stannis feels he is the rightful King. It will be war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaSome Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Traitor is a word winners can use. outside of that it has no reference. every now and then a revolution is good for a society, it shakes things up and helps it evolve. but sometimes whores and liars like the lannisters take the reins and drive the world into chaos through a swollen egoSure it does. Noun: A person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc. Robert got the throne more through the help of traitors than conquering is all im saying.Overthrowing the mad king wasnt a bad thing, but killing children to hold a crown is a whole different can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab aeterno Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I agree with the sentiments that Stannis will not take kindly to yet another claimant entering the war. His attitude will remain "Bend a knee or be destroyed". Dany and Stannis can not co-exist. Dany hates the Baratheons as usurpers, Stannis feels he is the rightful King. It will be war.I'm developing a suspicion that whether or not it is connected to Ice vs. Fire as has been suggested, Stannis and Dany could become involved in a massive and destructive war. He will not be moved and she (with her dragons) will not be stopped. The fallout could be immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 After the overthrone of her family and the fact that the alive Targs fled from Westeros, Dany lost any claim she could ever had (she herself said so). So if she ever come to Westeros she would be another pretender.Mel's Shadow baby fits her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic751 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I understand the meaning of the word. But they stood up for what they believed in. its more like a revolutionary.definition ~ In politics, a revolutionary is someone who supports abrupt, rapid, and drastic changeMel has a different role to play. she has been misinterpreting her visions. I think she will contribute in a whole new way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab aeterno Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 After the overthrone of her family and the fact that the alive Targs fled from Westeros, Dany lost any claim she could ever had (she herself said so). So if she ever come to Westeros she would be another pretender.Mel's Shadow baby fits her.Dany is also a woman, and I believe that it has been established that a woman cannot rule Westeros, even if she can inherit other lands or titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaSome Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I understand the meaning of the word. But they stood up for what they believed in. its more like a revolutionary.definition ~ In politics, a revolutionary is someone who supports abrupt, rapid, and drastic changeMel has a different role to play. she has been misinterpreting her visions. I think she will contribute in a whole new wayIf killing children is what they believed is right, there will be no happy ending for baratheon. I wouldnt call killing the badguy to become the badguy revolution. Mel misinterpreting her visions doesnt change the fact that she is bad company, nobody "good" likes her..davos, Jon, sam etc. Theres a reason for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
total1402 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 If/when Dany shows up in Westeros with her dragons and her claim, how will (King) Stannis react?Thoughts?I was thinking about this and how everyone would react to Dany.Personally Stannis would be taken aback, but I imagine he would be fairly pragmatic much like Kevin was. He certainly wouldn't go "I'am dead." He will probably use Mels shadow babies to attempt to kill Daenerys. However, I'am not sure what Mels reaction will be once she discovers Danys existence. Every fire worshipperso far aware of Dany is certain shes AA. However Mel hasn't been the best fire prophet and she doesn't seem any more powerful than Moqorro. So Dany will possibly have some protection against such an attack.ps. I'am gettin little tired of the assasination routine. I mean how many times has an assasian tried to kill her? But it'll probably be shadow babies and faceless men next book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic751 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 If killing children is what they believed is right, there will be no happy ending for baratheon. I wouldnt call killing the badguy to become the badguy isn't revolution. Mel misinterpreting her visions doesnt change the fact that she is bad company, nobody "good" likes her..davos, Jon, sam etc. Theres a reason for that.Good or bad is subjective. And in Aristocracies, killing heirs is a way to maintain peace when the kingdom switches hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Dany is also a woman, and I believe that it has been established that a woman cannot rule Westeros, even if she can inherit other lands or titles. True. But I think that the fact that Targs were overthrone delete any claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab aeterno Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 True. But I think that the fact that Targs were overthrone delete any claim.Yeah, I agree, all I meant is that even if she wanted to press her claim, she can't rule anyway; not alone, at least, and even if she were married, technically her husband would be king, and in charge if I am not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimic751 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 It deletes the claim to the people who blindly follow those who are in power. not to those who are allies the the Targsshe can be queen regant. and honestly if it comes down to it she could use her dragons to maintain power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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