Wun Drop Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I enjoyed the plot twist with "Jimmy 2.0" earlier in the season. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eogh Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Hmmm maybe, but how closely would he work with VA. Most gangs were at that time held together by shared ethnicity. Luciano is a very notable exception, it's seen as questionable how closely he works with Jews. Would the Chicago Italians be ok with a non-italian?I think so. They did work with Jimmy Irish after all :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin of Ice Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I get the feeling from my admittedly incomplete knowledge that Chicago was much more willing to work with the occasional non-Italian, whereas a lot of big NY power brokers, like Masseria and his fellow old-timers, were very reluctant or outright unwilling to even work with non-Sicilian Italians. (There's a pretty deep divide between Sicilians and other Italians, although more so in the past than now. This includes the fact that the Sicilian dialect is all but incomprehensible to other Italians. And for the record, Capone wasn't Sicilian, and having grown in Brooklyn and experienced the way the Sicilian mob power brokers shunned others, I'm fully capable of believing that he would be have a different POV than them.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eogh Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Yeah that's my understanding as well. Capone was very different from the old Moustache Petes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Buck Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Interestingly, Dennis Lehane has just joined the writing team for season four. I assume it's no coincidence that he just finished a book about bootlegging (Live By Night). This is very, very good news in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 Interestingly, Dennis Lehane has just joined the writing team for season four. I assume it's no coincidence that he just finished a book about bootlegging (Live By Night). This is very, very good news in my opinion.Cool, definitely good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wun Drop Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Interestingly, Dennis Lehane has just joined the writing team for season four. I assume it's no coincidence that he just finished a book about bootlegging (Live By Night). This is very, very good news in my opinion.Holy shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Interestingly, Dennis Lehane has just joined the writing team for season four. I assume it's no coincidence that he just finished a book about bootlegging (Live By Night). This is very, very good news in my opinion.Looks good, thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Gyp referred to himself when he made the statement which makes no sense in that context. Maybe I don't see color like Colbert (though people tell me I'm white.)Do you believe them because you look both ways before talking about race? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 So, he was referring both to himself and Chalky as having common ground because they're marked out as different/inferior by their dark looks.I'd agree if all he said was "We both got left out in the sun too long." But he follows that with "Maybe you a little longer, eh?." I don't know how else to read that other than as a comment on the color of Mr. White's skin, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 The way he said it was obviously in reference to working hard and being taken for granted (like slaves on plantation) but the phrasing was glaringly racially motivated, then the addition pushed it over.Like telling a feminist she's screeching, whilst you can tell anyone that, it would have implications on what you really mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmis Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 The way I see it, Gyp was saying that they both have been getting the short end of the stick from Nucky, and that Chalky might have gotten even less than him. Further he's hinting that since they're both in the same boat, he'll take better care of Chalky than Nucky did. At the same time he's using the opportunity to see if he can push some of Chalkys buttons to see how he reacts, because that's how Gyp operates, and have been operating this whole season.Using a metaphor that accomplishes both is just him being clever (in his own eyes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 As the discussion is showing that line was a very well written one as it meant a hell of a lot. I think it was also showing that the black community are even lower on the pecking order amongst everything else.Definitely the wrong way to go with Chalky though who is a very proud man.If he gets his club next year I expect there to be a lot of fall-out from it. Nucky wasn't refusing him because he didn't want to help, he made it clear that it was a bad idea based on how people will respond. The good thing is that if it does happen we are going to get more Chalky next season :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wun Drop Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Not to mention if Chalky gets his club, it will be an excellent opportunity for top African-American actors, comedians, & entertainers to guest star on the show as performers in the club. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 So how would you guys feel if Gyp survives next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 So how would you guys feel if Gyp survives next week?Shocked. I think it would be a twist for him not to. He's like a Buffy villain - done in one season (and I don't think he's Spike good enough to survive). Gyp kills Harrow would be almost unthinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wun Drop Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 So how would you guys feel if Gyp survives next week?I was surprised he survived the first episode, the way he mouthed off to everyone at the NYE party. Rothstein looked ready to make him eat a cue ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yeah i don't think it will happen in fact the thought never even crossed my mind until yesterday. Pretty much everyone (including myself) thought that Gyp dying was a foregone conclusion, but now it's starting to feel a bit to obvious. But then again we know Nucky, Capone, Masseria, Luciano, Rothstein, etc won't die.so yeah the only way i see Gyp surviving Sunday is if Harrow turned out to be the big Finale death. Still 99% Gyp will die though lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wun Drop Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Maybe Harrow teams up with Rosetti? That would be unexpected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Maybe Harrow teams up with Rosetti? That would be unexpected!Why would he? Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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