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References and Homages

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how did i not see the Dune similarities before...once pointed out, so obvious!

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I think this is a very interesting topic!
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but I think there are many similarities between Ramsay's macabre huntings in the woods and the novel of “Nastagio degli Onesti”, contained in Giovanni Boccaccio's Decameron.
George Martin is a great admirer of Italian literature, both Medieval and Renaissance (in an interview he mentioned Machiavelli's Prince as a main source of inspiration for his A Song of Ice and Fire), and Boccaccio is one of the greatest medieval writers along with Dante and Petrarca.

In A Song of Ice and Fire Ramsay is renowned for his savage cruelty, in particular he's known for chasing girls in the woods with his dogs, killing them, raping them and feeding their bodies to his dogs. In Boccaccio's novel Nastagio is walking through a pine forest when he sees a girl running naked in tears, being chased by two dogs trying to bite her and a knight with a black sword who kills her and gives her heart to the dogs.
This novel was renowned during Middle Ages and Renaissance: the famous Italian painter Sandro Botticelli was commissioned by Lorenzo the Magnificent to paint it on the occasion of Giannozzo Pucci's wedding to Lucrezia Bini (1483).

To see the paintings click the links below.

Nastagio degli Onesti, primo episodio

Nastagio degli Onesti, secondo episodio

What do you think about it? 

Edited by *Leah

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On Invalid Date at 0:12 AM, The Bard of Banefort said:

This probably came up a long time ago, but does fAegon acting as the Westerosi Perkin Warbeck count as homage?

Right before I started watching GoT and reading ASOIAF, I read Philippa Gregory's "The White Princes." Now, I realize that Gregory doesn't exactly have the best reputation when it comes to historical accuracy, but what I found interesting is how similar her portrayal of Elizabeth of York was to Sansa in ACOK. Both of them "played dumb" in order to avoid saying the wrong thing and ending up on the chopping block. I don't support the theory that the War of the Roses can predict how ASOIAF will end, but I definitely see the parallels between Sansa and Elizabeth of York, more so than between her and Queen Elizabeth I. 

I agree Perkin Warbeck seems to be the best inspiration for Aegon (fake or not; I think he is fake).

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Hmm...

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Three conflicting accounts exist as to the manner of death of Prince Daeron Targaryen. The best known claims that the prince stumbled from his pavilion with his night clothes afire, only to be cut down by the Myrish sellsword Black Trombo, who smashed his face in with a swing of his spiked morningstar. This version was the one preferred by Black Trombo, who told it far and wide.

The Princess and the Queen

Trombo did slay the dragon...

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James Dalton Trumbo (December 9, 1905 – September 10, 1976) was an American screenwriter and novelist, who scripted films including Roman Holiday, Exodus, Spartacus, and Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo. One of the Hollywood Ten, he refused to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) in 1947 during the committee's investigation of Communist influences in the motion picture industry. He was subsequently blacklisted by that industry. He continued working clandestinely, producing work under other authors' names. His uncredited work won two Academy Awards; the one for Roman Holiday (1953) was given to a front writer, and the one for The Brave One (1956) was awarded to a pseudonym. The public crediting of him as the writer of both Exodus and Spartacus in 1960 marked the end of the Hollywood Blacklist. His earlier achievements were eventually credited to him by the Writers Guild, 60 years after the fact.

Dalton Trumbo, Wikipedia

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40 minutes ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

Hmm...

The Princess and the Queen

Trombo did slay the dragon...

Dalton Trumbo, Wikipedia

Nice. Super good find. 

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On 19/7/2017 at 7:15 PM, *Leah said:

in an interview he mentioned Machiavelli's Prince as a main source of inspiration for his A Song of Ice and Fire

Confirms my suspicion. I always found Varys's speech to Kevan about fAegon and him going on about the "people" as something that fits Machiavelli's ideas about a Prince uniting regions into one giant empire. Macchiavelli advocated a political system where an absolute monarch had the power without having to cow-tow to feudal noble lords. The Medicis in France and Henry VIII in England pretty much used Machiavelli's ideas to gain total power and make it one country and it was the beginning of the end of feudalism. They weren't dependent of old noble houses anymore, but could levy armies of people directly. The war that Varys helps to bring about all over Westeros certainly aims to do that. It is also Tywin's tactc.

Aegon "Egg" was frustrated over the same issue. He wanted totalitarian power for himself so he could rule for the people, but the great houses and feudal lords had too much power. And there are literary links between Varys and Egg.

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