Andal blood Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 he can be resurrected by Melissande(Dondarrion style) and if that happens he will no longer be bound by his vow to the Night's watch.Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Targaryen Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The second part is probably true, but it will depend on what he thinks about it. (But most of the people, including the NW will see him as a deserter, it is very convenient to get a death story to get rid of your vows.)The first part we have no way of knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Technically he would be freed of his vows, but it wouldn't really be in the spirit of them. I don't think Jon's leaving the NW until it dissolves at the end of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargo Hoat's Teddy Bear Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 he can be resurrected by Melissande(Dondarrion style) and if that happens he will no longer be bound by his vow to the Night's watch.Yes? the oath states that it's till death, but as Jon's an honourable person i think he'll decide to keep to the watch.... for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 No. "I pledge my life and honor to the Night’s Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 No. "I pledge my life and honor to the Night’s Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.”Yes."It shall not end until my death." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickStormborn Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If Jon dies, he's freed from his vows.If Jon is brought back to life, his vows still stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Valonqar Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Even though he dies he will not be dead after the ressuration(?) and being dead is the requirement to get rid of vows. He is not bound by his words while in the state of being dead but his vows get renewed when he makes the decision to keep on living. This is similar to a man getting "revived" in modern times. In some cases you are technically dead before being brought back to life via CPR(or other methods) but that does not mean that your heirs have inherited your properties even though that should happen when you die.This means that his vows stand and he can not(and should not) leave the Nights watch.-------------I believe that there are some spelling and grammatical errors there but English is not my first language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrish Swamp Thing Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 He would be "free" of his vows because a bunch of his sworn brothers tried to kill him, and it would be pretty akward if he just returned like nothing happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy york Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 i think the real question is if he wargs into ghost after he dies.. ... ...does ghost become lord commander of the nights watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Wun Wun Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Jon will never really be "free" of his NW vows. This just isn't an issue that will have a definitive, universally accepted answer. This question will always be divisive amongst ASOIAF fans, and I think it's safe to say the Westerosi characters will mirror our own divide on this.If Jon leaves and puts on a crown, then there will be characters who insist he is an oathbreaker, in addition to being a bastard-born, tree-worshipping (for the Southerners) beastling. Those who say this were likely going to be his enemies when he put on a crown anyway, death or no though. But those in Westeros who want to support him (for whatever reason) will have a bit more moral ground to stand on b/c of his death and resurrection.His death really muddies up the issue of whether he would be justified in leaving the Watch or not, by providing ammunition for taking either stance on the issue in a debate . Whereas, if he had not died, it would have been pretty clear and definitive that he was oathbreaking. Now suddenly it is a morally grey dilemma, which we know GRRM loves. Maybe that's why he wrote it in in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bardstark Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If Jon dies the Others win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Africanus Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Jon will never really be "free" of his NW vows. When the NW ceases to exist he will be.I don't see everyone's obsession with the NW anyway. An organization which was used as a dumping ground for criminals, orphans, vagrants and unwanted sons. That's all it was in the ASOFAI timeline. And it wasn't even taken seriously at that. Just a convenient alternate solution for the death penalty.I hope the NW is destroyed personally, there's nothing redeeming or noble about it anymore. Jon can do more to protect the people by wearing a crown then by staying with a penal institution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naik2902 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 he is born for greater good and not to rule seven kingdoms. his fate is not about revenge on those who killed his family and regaining what his family lost but only to save the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budj Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Yea - I think that technically he is still responsible for the vow. But it won't be the first time someone deserted for a greater purpose. The old gods didn't strike Bloodraven down when he decided to 'head up' the old gods religion instead of remaining at his post...I think Jon will realize he can do more with a crown than as LC and will let his honor be damned for it. As someone said above his supporters will be glad. The North will be very glad to have an able Stark-blooded individual to lead them again. His detractors will use it to defame him, but they weren't going to be supportive anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Technically, yes, but it all depends on how Jon sees it.and I doubt the Nights Watch will end. The realm does need border patrol and the wall loses its magic barrier properties with no one to stand gaurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlekitten Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Unless there is no night watch. Or it gets relaunched with a different oath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budj Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Unless there is no night watch. Or it gets relaunched with a different oathIt would be hilarious if BR and Bran were like 'yo man - that other crap in the oath was rubbish the Andals introduced - take it out!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukhasinov Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Jon is not going to be "Phoenix Downed" by Melissandra. GRRM has shown time and again his willingness to randomly murder his own characters, and no one ever "Dies, but gets better." Stoneheart is more like the mom from Pet Cemetary than Catelyn Stark. And even if she did, I doubt his Brothers would see him as any different from a Wight, so they would likely just kill him again. Of course, the wildling are probably going to lose their shit over Jon`s murder and tear the Watch apart,since they outnumber the Watch by TENS to one, and are now south of the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeWareOfMyHouse Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Jon is not going to be "Phoenix Downed" by Melissandra. GRRM has shown time and again his willingness to randomly murder his own characters, and no one ever "Dies, but gets better." Stoneheart is more like the mom from Pet Cemetary than Catelyn Stark. And even if she did, I doubt his Brothers would see him as any different from a Wight, so they would likely just kill him again. Of course, the wildling are probably going to lose their shit over Jon`s murder and tear the Watch apart,since they outnumber the Watch by TENS to one, and are now south of the Wall.Beric Dondarrion seemed to be doing decently well, and he died something like six times before he finally kicked the bucket to make Lady Stoneheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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