Lion of Judah Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I am re-reading her now, and she is quite awesome. Originally, it was hard to forgive her for the "I love Joffrey" stuff because I never truly looked at things from Sansa's perspective, but things have changed.Yes, I am actually a bit embarrassed that I am hopping on the Sansa bandwagon now. I hope it's not too late, but that girl is nothing short of awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Her realization of Littlefinger and Petyr double personality, will make her understand the need of existence of both Alayne and Sansa. Alayne can be controlled by LF, and she is Petyr`s daughter, but Sansa, she is neither... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Éadaoin Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 Yes, I am actually a bit embarrassed that I am hopping on the Sansa bandwagon now. I hope it's not too late, but that girl is nothing short of awesome.Welcome to the group - it's never too late! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Yep, and I'm convinced that that's the angle GRRM was going for. The TV show let me down when it came to San/San.I love both of the actors and I love the TV show but the way they handled San/San really, really disappointed me too :( I also think he was going for the Beauty and the Beast angle too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Yes, I am actually a bit embarrassed that I am hopping on the Sansa bandwagon now. I hope it's not too late, but that girl is nothing short of awesome.I have no shame. :smug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Yes, I am actually a bit embarrassed that I am hopping on the Sansa bandwagon now. I hope it's not too late, but that girl is nothing short of awesome.It's never too late. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Welcome to the group - it's never too late! :cheers:I didn't realise someone had said pretty much exactly the same thing I had hahaha :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Welcome to the group - it's never too late! :cheers:I have no shame. :smug:It's never too late. :cheers:I'm finally cool! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Yep, and I'm convinced that that's the angle GRRM was going for. The TV show let me down when it came to San/San.It was a complete disappointment. :/We already have Pocahontas story, Beauty and the Beast is just welcome. I like Disney movies ^ ^ :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 When it comes to Sansa, her entire life is Beauty and the Beast. First Joffrey, then Tyrion, well Sandor is all present, now it`s LF...Too many beasts for one girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 It was a complete disappointment. :/We already have Pocahontas story, Beauty and the Beast is just welcome. I like Disney movies ^ ^ :DOT: I am a Disney fanatic. I think that is why I love the idea of San/San. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redviper9 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 It's a very interesting question, Éadoin. As you yourself point in your OP, Sansa becomes an increasingly subtly-written character.I think that she is beginning to see Lord Pissant for what he is, but because of her past experiences -- her relationships with Joffrey, Tyrion, the Lannisters, and the Tyrells -- she doesn't want to let too much show, nor does she want to jump to any conclusions. But there are a couple of clues to her wising up. One is her realization of the duality in Pissant's persona: "Petyr" and "Littlefinger." Second is her mixed feelings about the idea of marrying Harry the Heir. Third is her relationship with Sweetrobin, which, while frustrating at times for Sansa, I think is genuine on both parties' parts. And fourth is how quickly Sansa realizes that Lyn Corbray's opposition to LF is a ruse engineered by LF himself. She's beginning to see how LF plays the game and how things about him aren't always as they seem.As I write and think about Sansa's increasing subtlety, I'm reminded of a brilliant post by tze (unfortunately I can't remember which thread it's in, so I can't link it) in which she argues that Sansa as Alayne is becoming more like Jon Snow. Sansa has now walked a mile in her bastard brother's shoes and become the outsider. As such, she now has the outsider's perspective that Jon had at Winterfell. Remember how Jon was able to size everyone up as they entered Winterfell's Great Hall for the royal feast? Sansa can now do the same. She immediately picks out Lyn Corbray as LF's mole among the Lords Declarant; she's very wary of Myranda Royce; and she's unsure of the Harry the Heir plan. In fact, Sansa may be starting to view Lord Pissant the same way Jon views Melisandre: Sansa recognize's LF's power, such as it is, but she's not sure if he's a person that she ultimately wants to be indebted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 When it comes to Sansa, her entire life is Beauty and the Beast. First Joffrey, then Tyrion, well Sandor is all present, now it`s LF...Too many beasts for one girl :crying: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 When it comes to Sansa, her entire life is Beauty and the Beast. First Joffrey, then Tyrion, well Sandor is all present, now it`s LF...Too many beasts for one girlSandor is a different kind of beast. A "good" beast. Maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straits Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Yep, and I'm convinced that that's the angle GRRM was going for. The TV show let me down when it came to San/San.Uh. An adult actor getting cozy with an underage girl? I would not touch that part of the series with a ten foot pole if I was in charge of the production. It's really nice on paper, of course.OT: I thought that the question of Sansa going along with LF's scheme was very thoroughly tackled in PtP threads? One of the limiting conditions of Sansa's further (positive) development is that she does not mindlessly follow Petyr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straits Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Sandor is a different kind of beast. A "good" beast. Maybe?Mycah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Uh. An adult actor getting cozy with an underage girl? I would not touch that part of the series with a ten foot pole if I was in charge of the production. It's really nice on paper, of course.Well it's not necessarily getting cosy, he threatens her, tells her about his face, and puts a knife to her at the blackwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straits Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Well it's not necessarily getting cosy, he threatens her, tells her about his face, and puts a knife to her at the blackwater.But then this needs to be executed in a way that will properly convey implied romantic undertones, many of which are only perceived due to how the reader experiences the scene. I find myself to catch certain hints and oddities while reading books, but any hint of budding romance between Sansa and Sandor sailed way past my head. I just didn't mark this down as something that would be a desirable development, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 But then this needs to be executed in a way that will properly convey implied romantic undertones, many of which are only perceived due to how the reader experiences the scene. I find myself to catch certain hints and oddities while reading books, but any hint of budding romance between Sansa and Sandor sailed way past my head. I just didn't mark this down as something that would be a desirable development, I guess.I saw him more as a teacher than them ever developing anything romantically, but if they did I'd trust GRRM to make it work. :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostInterestingManWesteros Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 First of all :ack: to San/San, but I don't want to further turn this tread into one of those. But still :ack: :ack: .I think Sansa is a total badass. I don't understand when people disparage her character and say she's the most southron of the Starks or any of that BS. It actually makes me angry. She constantly thinks of her family and her connection to Winterfell, (saying she's strongest when she was near there, etc), and it was really striking to me just how much she was drawing strength from her wolf side during her chapters in Feast. I'm not exactly sure how much she is picking up on Littlefinger's BS, because it is never explicitly stated if she is or not in her POV, however I think she is a lot smarter than people think, and is definitely putting things together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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