TheMalcolm Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Do you disagree with the fact that the High Septon is a religious zealot, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathematizer Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Zealots never trade, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Being a religious zealot and being a politician are not inseparable, not by any means in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathematizer Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Being a politician means doing some evil things to achieve your ultimate goal. I don't think it's appropriate to a zealot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 A zealot is a person marked by zealotry. Zealotry is: excess of zeal / fanatical devotion, and zeal is: eagerness and ardent interest in pursuit of something / fervor, thank you Merriam-Webster's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathematizer Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Ok, then explain us how fanatical devotion is comparable with trading and compromisses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 If the High Septon were deliberately making trades and compromises that harmed the Faith, then yes, obviously he would not be a zealot for his religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathematizer Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Any trade will harm an Idea. A fanatic never trades, it's main point which distincts him from just a faithful person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elgernon Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Somebody remind me why we believe that Qyburn is loyal to Cersei? Beyond the obvious "she's letting him do what he wants" cause that seems a little weak.In response to the zealot/fanatic debate it seems to me that TheMalcom's definition of these two things falls directly in line with what the media/current US regime wants us to believe about these types of people. Remember Zealotry isn't necessarily bad in and of itself, its when zealotry/fanaticism are used by people in power, or for the wrong purpose that they become "bad" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathematizer Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Somebody remind me why we believe that Qyburn is loyal to Cersei? Beyond the obvious "she's letting him do what he wants" cause that seems a little weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonius Pius Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Somebody remind me why we believe that Qyburn is loyal to Cersei? Beyond the obvious "she's letting him do what he wants" cause that seems a little weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miriel Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Somebody remind me why we believe that Qyburn is loyal to Cersei? Beyond the obvious "she's letting him do what he wants" cause that seems a little weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 This is incredibly bizarre, I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miriel Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 As to "she's letting him do what he wants" -- Qyburn is a maester who has been stripped of his chain. He's disgraced. He's a former member of the Brave Companions. He is a necromancer. Cersei guaranteed him a position he never could have attained under normal circumstances, and allowed him to continue his work that caused him to be kicked out of the Citadel in the first place. (I.e., the horrors he is responsible for in the Red Keep's dungeons.) I think that's sufficient enough evidence to explain Qyburn's loyalty, especially when we have no evidence opposing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Qyburn might be loyal to Cersei, but it seems odd that, with the Queen under arrest for whoring around and ordering the murder of the previous High Septon, the members of the Faith who have her in custody just let this same repulsive disgraced bloodmage who is conjuring up unspeakable horrors down in the dungeons waltz in and chat with her and pass valuable information to her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathematizer Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 but why would whoever was in charge of whatever is going on in KL at the end of Feast let Qyburn come in and speak with Cersei? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 why would whoever was in charge of whatever is going on in KL at the end of Feast let Qyburn come in and speak with Cersei? It seemed a bit too kind and lenient to me. I mean, why allow the Queen access to her Master of Whisperers if there is any chance it might assist her in getting herself out of the pickle she landed in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathematizer Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 the members of the Faith who have her in custody just let this same repulsive disgraced bloodmage who is conjuring up unspeakable horrors down in the dungeons waltz in and chat with her and pass valuable information to her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elgernon Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Well, I'm Russian and Bush's rhetorics is very unpopular in my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I already explained to you what a zealot, or a fanatic, is. Read back up above, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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