Ser Creighton Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Some say the world will end in fire,Some say in ice.From what I've tasted of desireI hold with those who favor fire.But if it had to perish twice,I think I know enough of hateTo say that for destruction iceIs also greatAnd would suffice.It's the story of fiery desire meeting icy hate. Yes Frost's poem helped inspire Martin, but no that's not the meaning of the poem. According to Martin the obvious is the wall and the dragons, but there is more than just that.Be cearful with the visions and the prophecies they are a double edged sword. Not everything means what it seems to mean. Well according to Martin anyway. For me I think it has a lot of meanings, and many of the ideas on this site about are probably right, life and death, passion and hate, dragons, and others, war, Jon and Dany. It's a lot of things. But I highly doubt it's an actual song, that's just phrasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Some say the world will end in fire,Some say in ice.From what I've tasted of desireI hold with those who favor fire.But if it had to perish twice,I think I know enough of hateTo say that for destruction iceIs also greatAnd would suffice.It's the story of fiery desire meeting icy hate. Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Claw Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think that when Rhaegar says Aegon's song is the song of ice and fire it indicates his future with Jon (ice) and Dany (fire). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady m Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think that when Rhaegar says Aegon's song is the song of ice and fire it indicates his future with Jon (ice) and Dany (fire).If Jon is Rhaegar & Lyanna's son he is already both fire and ice. Jon & Dany are ice/fire/fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebevan91 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 If Jon is Rhaegar & Lyanna's son he is already both fire and ice. Jon & Dany are ice/fire/fire.I read this on here one day.Sansa (ice) and Aegon (fire). It was in one of the Sansa or Aegon threads. I think someone was asking "what if there's more than one ice and fire?" or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWizard Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think Rhaegar and past Targaryens misinterpreted the prophecy. IMO it is the song of two elements/people, no more no less. I interpret it as a union between the two, whether figuratively or literally. i like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Claw Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 If Jon is Rhaegar & Lyanna's son he is already both fire and ice. Jon & Dany are ice/fire/fire.I am just trying to make sense why Rhaegar says this is Aegon's song. Jon seems like ice: Starks, Old Gods, leader in the North, wolf. Other than his father being a Targ, I don't see anything of fire about him. Also, the word "and" sticks out to me. I don't see anyone being both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Jon is the song of ice [stark] and fire [Targaryen] and he is the prince that was promised.However, Mel is not wrong, there is a larger song of ice and fire going on that is the coming war...ice/others/dark...fire/dragons/light. But, I have no doubt she has misread her signs and is going to be confused and wrong about who the bad guys really are or are not, e.g. Bloodraven and Bran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady m Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I am just trying to make sense why Rhaegar says this is Aegon's song. Jon seems like ice: Starks, Old Gods, leader in the North, wolf. Other than his father being a Targ, I don't see anything of fire about him. Also, the word "and" sticks out to me. I don't see anyone being both.Aemon talks about Rhaegar's evolving concept of the prophecy a few times, and his misinterpretation of said prophecy. I think he thought he needed to recreate Aegon and his sister-wives, so he thought Aegon was the prince. But he also went out and seduced Lyanna, of the house most associated with winter and ice. There's quite a bit of imagery that connects Jon to both fire and ice, Dany's vision, Jon's dreams, and he shares personality traits with both Rhaegar and Lyanna. Oddly, the personality traits are kinda opposite the elements represented by his parents, quick anger with Lyanna, melancholy with Rhaegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya rules Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Ummm. But Jon's dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal'c Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Ummm. But Jon's dead?Not dead; merely entering the underworld to fetch the great boon.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I've got a feeling it might be an actual song that will be at the end of ADOS's last chapter, maybe about Jon's fight against the Others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 His Imperial and Royal Majesty Jon Diredragon (or Snowdragon or Starkdragon or Snow) first of his name. The King of Winter and the Dragon in the North. Azor Ahai reborn, the Prince that was Promised.The song of Ice and Fire. King of the the First Men. Lord of the North, the Vale, the Iron Isles the Riverlands, and Beyond the Wallaka Jon Snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattah84 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 A Song of Ice and Fire is Jon Snow being Targaryen and Stark if that is true. A Song of Ice and Fire is R'hllor and The Great Other probably being the same Deity/God. Also, the Obsidian/Dragonglass being used to kill Wights/Others. There are probably countless others, but those are a few. Also, some of the relations between Ice and Fire at this poiint are only because of speculation on what we have read. The significance of "A Song of Ice and Fire" will probably be revealed more in the last two books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG_Tips Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think it may be GRRM playing on the conventions of fantasy. What keeps on coming up over and over again are how there is no black or white situations. One of the biggest ones off the top of my head is Jaime killing Aerys. On the one hand he is breaking his Kingsguard vows and on the other he's likely saving the populace of Kings Landing. Maybe GRRM is playing on our expectations as readers of fantasy that there will be a great evil and a great good, and in fact it is not as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu1987 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Yeah the fact that Rhaegar said about Aegon 'his will be the song of ice and fire' suggest that maybe he knew something significant about it, perhaps a prophecy. I'm not sure why he would have said it about Aegon though, as there wasn't really any 'ice' in him, so to speak.I like how there are so many examples of opposites and 'ice and fire' in the book that there are so many possibilities :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Warhammer Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Thorin's song/Misty mountains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think it means The Others (Ice) and Dragons (Fire), the two main supernatural parts of the story.I really, really hope it doesnt mean Jon. That would ruin the entire series, if it turned out there was just one main character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groat Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 A few things to add: When Dany burns Drogo she says she points his body North to South, Ice and Fire, so the term is mentioned then as well.Magic, in this world, involves a lot of singing, as well as several magical horns being in existence. The Song in A Song of Ice and Fire could also have implications to the return of magic to the world, and a cycle starting over again.There's quite a bit of imagery that connects Jon to both fire and ice, Dany's vision, Jon's dreams, and he shares personality traits with both Rhaegar and Lyanna. There is more than a "bit" of imagery for Jon. You can't read a Jon chapter without multiple references to the wall, the cold, the snow, and other elements of ice as well as references to fire, buring a fire, killing the dead with fire, Jon grabbing a handful of fire, Ygritte being kissed by fire... the list goes on and on, literally every single chapter has imagery of ice and fire for Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starksrule Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 It's the story of the sword Ice, the events around it as it's destroyed and moved around then reforged into the sword Fire.It's the story of the sword Ice, the events around it as it's destroyed and moved around then reforged into the sword Fire.Kinda like the Red Violin? the movie with Samuel L Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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