ladyofslytherin Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I can't find any older threads discussing this (if there are any, please link me!), but there were several comments on another topic indicating that there's reason to believe Joffrey sexually abused Tommen. The only line I can find in any of the novels where it refers to Tommen being abused by him at all is when he tells Jaime that he "goes away inside" when "Joffey" does something, but he's interrupted before he can give specifics by Cersei angrily correcting his pronunciation of Joffrey's name.As of ADWD, is there any contextual evidence that Joff sexually abused his brother? And if so, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I think it's likely Joffrey either sexually and/or physically abused Tommen.Threads:http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/24153-joffrey-and-tommen/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/75595-joffrey-and-tommen/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/66810-was-tommen-molested/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkie Baelish Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 God, why does everybody automatically assume it's sexual abuse? It's plausible in Euron and Aeron's case, considering Euron's rapey nature, but I just don't see Joffrey doing it. He's 13 years old, for god's sake. He probably just verbally and physically abused him. Tommen's a soft-hearted little boy, it really wouldn't take much to hurt him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hound! Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 God, why does everybody automatically assume it's sexual abuse? It's plausible in Euron and Aeron's case, considering Euron's rapey nature, but I just don't see Joffrey doing it. He's 13 years old, for god's sake. He probably just verbally and physically abused him. Tommen's a soft-hearted little boy, it really wouldn't take much to hurt him. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkTagaryen Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 God, why does everybody automatically assume it's sexual abuse? It's plausible in Euron and Aeron's case, considering Euron's rapey nature, but I just don't see Joffrey doing it. He's 13 years old, for god's sake. He probably just verbally and physically abused him. Tommen's a soft-hearted little boy, it really wouldn't take much to hurt him. :agree: too because we saw how he was with the Butcher's Boy Mikah he's just violent and was probably a little shit to his younger brother by beating the crap out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya Mormont Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Disappearing to one's inner world is commonly associated with sexual abuse. I seem to remember similar language from early Dany/Drogo scenes.There are plenty of other victims across the books, and I can't think of any who used the "disappear inside" type language when sex wasn't implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecryptile Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 All I've got to say is I dislike Joffrey more now than ever. Killing Tommen's pets was bad enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limp Imp the Pimp Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Disappearing to one's inner world is commonly associated with sexual abuse. I seem to remember similar language from early Dany/Drogo scenes.There are plenty of other victims across the books, and I can't think of any who used the "disappear inside" type language when sex wasn't implied.Disappearing to ones inner-self can be associated to many kinds of abuse, not just sexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Crane Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I always took it to be not actually Joffrey necessarily abusing Tommen personally, but just his reaction when Joffrey was up to something shitty, for example if I remember rightly (might just have been on the show), Tommen was there when Joffrey tried to have Dontos drowned, which would be traumatic enough to watch, especially as a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Road Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Joffrey's a nasty piece of work, but I doubt it was sexual abuse, probably just verbal or physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassBlackfyre Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 God, why does everybody automatically assume it's sexual abuse? It's plausible in Euron and Aeron's case, considering Euron's rapey nature, but I just don't see Joffrey doing it. He's 13 years old, for god's sake. He probably just verbally and physically abused him. Tommen's a soft-hearted little boy, it really wouldn't take much to hurt him. Joffrey has a sexually devient nature aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Oromus Locke Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Bump? Joffrey has a sexually devient nature aswell. Give me one instance in which he wanted to sexually abuse someone, preferably male.. If anything Joffrey's a sadist to the whore(s) Tyrion sent him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassBlackfyre Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Bump? Give me one instance in which he wanted to sexually abuse someone, preferably male.. If anything Joffrey's a sadist to the whore(s) Tyrion sent him. You don't remember his rape threats to sansa? When he commanded his kingsguard to beat her and strip her? I have no doubt he was getting a sexual thrill from it the same way that Aerys got a sexual thrill from torturing and tormenting people, and judging from the tommen quote in the OP i dont think its extreme to think he perfected it on tommen, at an age of sexual frustration. Why does it have to be a male example? That scene you're talking about wasn't canon, it was just from the TV show, wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayce Hornwood Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 God, why does everybody automatically assume it's sexual abuse? It's plausible in Euron and Aeron's case, considering Euron's rapey nature, but I just don't see Joffrey doing it. He's 13 years old, for god's sake. He probably just verbally and physically abused him. Tommen's a soft-hearted little boy, it really wouldn't take much to hurt him. Not sure what his age has to do with it, considering all the other horrible things Joffrey has done. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that he could sexually abuse someone. I'm not saying I think he did it to Tommen, because I don't think he did, I just don't think it would be totally out of the realm of possibility for him. More than likely, Tommen's reaction of drawing into himself is a result of, like you said, Joffrey's verbal and physical abuse, and of witnessing the other atrocities he's commited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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