Golden Lion Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Obviously borrowing.But what I mean is once Tywin is out of the picture why doesn't casterly rock just fund the crown and forget the debts so the crown can pay off the iron bank etc? Does casterly rock not bring in that much income or am i missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lymond Lychester Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I'm not sure the lannisters would like to give up all their wealth to provide for the realm, regardless of them sitting on the throneit's just not in their nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOM Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 as Lymond says, Tywin seems just dead set against it. Now, they *should* pay for it out of their own pocket, or at least make payments on it to keep the IBB away, since the IBB can be a tremendous threat to their sons, heirs, whoever is sitting the throne. And here, I mean just make the "minimum monthly payments" -- they don't have to pay off all of the debt from their own coffers (at least not based on semi-modern lending standards). So yes, this part isn't *entirely* convincing to me, but it's a story, and the Lannisters are haughty, self-deluded @#$@#s. So, achilles heel or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Obviously borrowing.But what I mean is once Tywin is out of the picture why doesn't casterly rock just fund the crown and forget the debts so the crown can pay off the iron bank etc?Does casterly rock not bring in that much income or am i missing something?Because the Lannisters are cheap, and not above letting the realm suffer for their own personal gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerchu Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Aren't the mines drying up or something? But even so surely like KOM stated Tywin could at least pay some of the debt off or all off and be owed the money by the crown instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septon Meribald Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 The problem with the Lannister's forgiving their debt to the Iron Throne is that it negates their ability to collect from them. In the event that the Iron Throne ever gets it's act together Casterly Rock would like to see it's coffers filled with taxes from all around Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Because there's naught at the heart of Casterly Rock, in more ways than one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 The IT already owes the Lannisters millions. There would be no reasons for the Lannisters to pay off the rest of the IT's debts that could as much as double the amount that the IT already owes to them.Or am I thinking jsut about the show? They run together sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 ` The Lannisters wouldn't have to lend the crown any money. The crown owes Casterly Rock around 3 million dragons. If the Lannisters excuse that debt, then the crown would be able to pay the Iron Bank. Also, Cersei was the one who decided to stop all payments to the Iron Bank of Braavos. The reason the crown is in debt was due to Robert's extravagant spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barristan the G.O.A.T Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 ` The Lannisters wouldn't have to lend the crown any money. The crown owes Casterly Rock around 3 million dragons. If the Lannisters excuse that debt, then the crown would be able to pay the Iron Bank. Also, Cersei was the one who decided to stop all payments to the Iron Bank of Braavos. The reason the crown is in debt was due to Robert's extravagant spending.I think Littlefinger was committing fraud as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septon Meribald Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 ` The Lannisters wouldn't have to lend the crown any money. The crown owes Casterly Rock around 3 million dragons. If the Lannisters excuse that debt, then the crown would be able to pay the Iron Bank. Also, Cersei was the one who decided to stop all payments to the Iron Bank of Braavos. The reason the crown is in debt was due to Robert's extravagant spending.Excusing the Lannister debt doesn't make the IT capable of paying back the IB. It just opens up more money to make payments. But the total debt to the IB is several million, which the IT doesn't have on hand, whether they are paying back the Lannisters or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septon Meribald Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I think Littlefinger was committing fraud as well.Only so far as not mentioning to anyone the level of debt that they were in. He would simply tell Robert and the small council that he'd find the money. I don't think anyone realized the amount of debt that had been incurred because there was never a lack of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongest Of All Belwas Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 You can argue that Kevan Lannister would have seriously contemplated that; Varys personally killed him because he was setting the realm in order, patching up relations between the Lannisters and Tyrells, and generally undoing all of the damage caused by Cersei. Despite being a Lannister, Kevan was actually good for Westeros, better than his brother Tywin, who he followed blindly and without question.I think he would have absolved the Iron Throne of it's Lannister debt, as the Iron Throne was the Lannister Throne, allowing them to begin repaying the Iron Bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnorak Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 There was a good thread here with some interesting discussion on the topic. I think it was Littlefinger's financial manipulations and embezzlement. princeimrahil makes a good case that it was Robert's fault. I blame Butterbumps for killing the thread her umm... excel spreadsheet.but with analysis like that who can hold it against her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Robert must have smashed through the highest quality wine like it was goon in a bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbstark Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 There was a good thread here with some interesting discussion on the topic. I think it was Littlefinger's financial manipulations and embezzlement. princeimrahil makes a good case that it was Robert's fault. I blame Butterbumps for killing the thread her umm... excel spreadsheet.but with analysis like that who can hold it against her.omg that thread is amazing.... THANK YOU!!!! :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannicus Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I think Littlefinger was committing fraud as well.This...and the war has taken it's toll.Robert's spending comes in a distant 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 And Robert's "girls" couldn't have been real cheap either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direwolfsigil Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 And Robert's "girls" couldn't have been real cheap either.Ive always loved how they stop for a cheese and wine party with cushioned velvet seats and fruit baskets on the way back to KL after Ned accepts Becoming the Hand, it just symbolizes he did everything extravagantly, it would most likely be difficult for even an average glutton to waste as much money on everyday crap as Robert did.And I used to actually think he was just an old warrior doing his best, and a King's crown was heavy..the more i rehash the series, the less I like good ole King Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagon Greyjoy Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 It's heavily implied that pretty much everyone in King Bob's court was knee-deep in bribes and embezzlement. King Bob could hardly beggar the realm with his vices, but an entire court of shameless thieves very well might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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