[Book spoilers] About Black Fish...

[khazix]

So basically if Brandon Tully goes to the Frey's wedding as well, it pretty much guarantees that he will be either killed or held as one of the hostages. It is baffling cause the whole "Riverrun Siege" plot will be gone as well, how will the Director handle the future seasons then?

[HyacinthGirl]

I'm guessing he'll be turning back for Riverrun soon. IF he is in the RW I can't see them killing him/taking him hostage, I think he'd escape.

[WardenOfTheNerds]

There are theories we will have a rambo blackfish saving talisa :D and charging out of the twins. Would be pretty ridiculous though

[Kernest]

There are theories we will have a rambo blackfish saving talisa :D and charging out of the twins. Would be pretty ridiculous though

I'm one of the perpetrators of said theories, and it's not "charging out" but diving off a bridge to escape the twins.

[Zared]

I think he will be taking over the role of the real Jeyne's brother, whose name escapes me at the moment.

[White Harbors Wrath]

There was a promo pic showing the Manderly that looked to have Talisa in it also and could be assumed to be the RW...don't remember if Blackfish was in it or not...and where the hell is Manderly....there's two episodes left...

[Joyful Union]

So basically if Brandon Tully goes to the Frey's wedding as well, it pretty much guarantees that he will be either killed or held as one of the hostages. It is baffling cause the whole "Riverrun Siege" plot will be gone as well, how will the Director handle the future seasons then?

The Riverrun siege plot is probably going to be cut. Its a pretty small plotline in any case.

['96Buck]

He'll dive off the bridge to escape. He's still swimming away and "in the wind" unaccounted for. To the extent they want to show Jamie's romping around next season consolidating the remnants, they can just do it with Brackens/Blackwoods w/o involving Riverrun. For a while, I thought they were trying to avoid having Riverrun AT ALL.

[houseHB]

Mayhaps the Blackfish is one of Robb's bannerman who is entrusted with Robb's will?

[StannisandDaeny]

They can't kill the Blackfish, damnit. They already have, in a way, but still. Quick, someone tell the producers of Brynden's alleged homosexuality, they may keep him alive to get a chance to put some more gay jokes in!

The Riverrun plot is not a small plot, for Jaime it's huge, since it shows him breaking his vows again yet somehow desperately trying to honour these vows to some degree and still soothe his own conscious. And if someone wants to argue that something that's important to Jaime's character can be seen as 'small', then I think you underestimate the importance of single character arcs and their development opposed to the bigger scheme of things... Really, the overarching story simply exists to have a framework to have these characters go through such evolutions, and these characters and their struggles are what makes the story. So no, the siege of Riverrun is definitely not small.

And I see here someone actually putting the Brackens forward instead as a replacement for Riverrun, as if two small houses the show hasn't even told us about and also won't should somehow be more important and preferable to the siege of Riverrun, which is an established place in the show about which you can't simply leave the viewers hanging... *sigh*

[Mulled Wino]

Mayhaps the Blackfish is one of Robb's bannerman who is entrusted with Robb's will?

what will? he has a child coming.

[DarkAndFullOfTurnips]

what will? he has a child coming.

Considering infant mortality rates I would think it would be smart for a man fighting a losing war still.

[Gannicus]

what will? he has a child coming.

What happens if the child is a girl?

[Gannicus]

The options for the Blackfish...

1) He goes off with Robb's will.

2) He escapes the slaughter with Talisa.

3) He is captured with Talisa.

He won't be killed.

[Ferrum Aeternum]

I'm one of the perpetrators of said theories, and it's not "charging out" but diving off a bridge to escape the twins.

This is what I think will happen too. I believe they're setting up Ser Brynden as a no-nonsense man of action, so hopefully if they do decide to go the Rambo route that'll make some sense.

For me the problem with the Riverrun plotline is still how rushed and underwhelming most of Edmure and Cat's material has been this season. For as much as D&D talk up the RW and how incredibly important it is to them, they continue to virtually ignore two of the biggest players in the event.

[ServantOnIce]

Robb may have a bad feeling, and may send Talisa and Blackfish back to Riverrun. Robb has to know he's heading into a, "difficult" situation.

[Dysun]

If he doesn't turn back or take the will he can really only die or escape.

I didn't see him in the pic of the RW (In which we did see Talisa), but people have people saying "It's only Robb and Cat" and the lack of northern bannermen is going to lessen the impact of the RW, but if Talisa and Blackfish take the fall it makes it just as tragic

[piratesswoop]

What happens if the child is a girl?

Then she will be the heir of Winterfell? It doesn't seem to be a problem for Sansa. I was always under the impression that aside from Dorne (and the Iron Islands) most of Westeros operates under male-preference primogeniture--boys come before girls, but if there are no male heirs, daughters are next in line and daughters of a male heir always come before the heir's brothers.

[Jon Snows Ghost]

Maybe they take him Hostage instead of the Great Jon......Haven't seen him all season unless I've missed him

[juanml82]

They can't kill the Blackfish, damnit. They already have, in a way, but still. Quick, someone tell the producers of Brynden's alleged homosexuality, they may keep him alive to get a chance to put some more gay jokes in!

The Riverrun plot is not a small plot, for Jaime it's huge, since it shows him breaking his vows again yet somehow desperately trying to honour these vows to some degree and still soothe his own conscious. And if someone wants to argue that something that's important to Jaime's character can be seen as 'small', then I think you underestimate the importance of single character arcs and their development opposed to the bigger scheme of things... Really, the overarching story simply exists to have a framework to have these characters go through such evolutions, and these characters and their struggles are what makes the story. So no, the siege of Riverrun is definitely not small.

And I see here someone actually putting the Brackens forward instead as a replacement for Riverrun, as if two small houses the show hasn't even told us about and also won't should somehow be more important and preferable to the siege of Riverrun, which is an established place in the show about which you can't simply leave the viewers hanging... *sigh*

But, IIRC, Show Jaime never made a vow about not fighting House Tully again.

I think Riverrun will be cut, but the Blackfish should survive. I don't, with so many characters, they might want to reuse those they've already introduced. And, as of right now, the only other character of the Northern army in a position to survive the RW and be a Stark loyalist is... Locke :eek:

I guess either Robb sends him to Riverrun to escort Talisa, or he fears the Lannisters will want to kill Sansa after she gives birth or Talisa before she does, so he makes a will to legitimize Jon to depreciate Sansa's value and remove pressure from Talisa. The show never stated the place legitimized bastards have in sucession lines, so he might not need to disinherit Sansa in the show.

OTOH, a Robb's will that doesn't surface until TWOW at the very least has the same trouble Danny always postponed travel to Westeros has: people will expect it to happen, and it won't happen for a long time.