Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Rhaegarsjoy

Restoration Rights?

369 posts in this topic

Nah, she's honest about wanting the throne. I prefer that to Stannis' I don't want the throne bullshit.

Meh, I guess it is all a matter of perspective then. I do believe in Stannis' sincerity when he says he wants the throne because it is his duty to take it up.

Dany OtoH, I just don't see her reason for wanting to rule in a foreign land. You have never been nor lived in Westeros. You don't know it"s people or it"s lands. You are home sweetling. The only home you've ever know. You are not needed in Westeros, the've enough to be dealing with.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Meh, I guess it is all a matter of perspective then. I do believe in Stannis' sincerity when he says he wants the throne because it is his duty to take it up.

If Stannis really didn't want the throne he would have passed it on to his younger brother. Like Maester Aemon did.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes he could have. He is not without flaws. He"s done quite a few shady (ha ha) things. But I think he truly believes that his cause is just. After all he was willing to make Renly his heir.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes he could have. He is not without flaws. He"s done quite a few shady (ha ha) things. But I think he truly believes that his cause is just. After all he was willing to make Renly his heir.

Renly would be his heir regardless, men come before women in the succession. Renly would be before Shireen.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Meh, I guess it is all a matter of perspective then. I do believe in Stannis' sincerity when he says he wants the throne because it is his duty to take it up.

What about the duty to your brother and king? When he run away to dragonstone to wait for for Robert to die and the crown to be his?

Dany OtoH, I just don't see her reason for wanting to rule in a foreign land.

From what I gathered something about reclaiming her family throne that was stollen from them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What about the duty to your brother and king? When he run away to dragonstone to wait for for Robert to die and the crown to be his?

Thank you! People like to exclude that little detail when boasting about Stannis' greatness.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There was no IT before the Targaryens.

6 kings.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

6 kings.

I didn't say there was no kings, I said no IT. The Targs created it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I didn't say there was no kings, I said no IT. The Targs created it.

and lost it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Again he is not without flaws. As for running away and waiting for his brother to die, I don't assume he was waiting for him to die. I dont presume to know what his plan was when he left for Dragonstone.

And the Dany quote was not clear I see. Let me be a bit more transparent. I don't care for her reasons for wanting the IT. She wants something based on some one elses information. That makes no sense to me. None. Zero. Stannis knows the politics of the land and he grew up there. He knows what it's like and whats expected to be a king in those lands. Dany does not. Stannis was there while his brother ruled. He knows what he is getting into. Dany can not claim any of those things.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

and lost it.

Yep, unfortunately the new owners made a shit mess of the place.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yep, unfortunately the new owners made a shit mess of the place.

It wasn't all that good for the 20 odd years the previous owner had it either.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It wasn't all that good for the 20 odd years the previous owner had it either.

How so? Until Aerys started roasting lords things were pretty stable.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How so? Until Aerys started roasting lords things were pretty stable.

In the Last legs i.e for 6 years since the defiance things went to hell, but until Bob died everything was Stable.

Bob had a better track record than Aerys but that isn't saying much.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Um, yeah they did. Ned's stupidity was one of the main reasons.

Ned's stupidity can't be compared to Aerys and Rhaegar's.

And anyway how did it cause problems? If Sansa or Rickon make an entrance Northerners won't say "urgh! That's Stupid Ned's kids" because Ned never left that impression

Can you say the same for the Targaryens?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In the Last legs i.e for 6 years since the defiance things went to hell, but until Bob died everything was Stable.

Bob had a better track record than Aerys but that isn't saying much.

I always thought it was said Tywin did a great job as Hand under Aerys.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In the Last legs i.e for 6 years since the defiance things went to hell, but until Bob died everything was Stable.

Bob had a better track record than Aerys but that isn't saying much.

Robert acted like he was lord of SE rather than the king of the seven kingdoms, even selmy who served Aerys said he was a terrible king.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ned's stupidity can't be compared to Aerys and Rhaegar's.

Idk, telling your enemies your plans might take the cake.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Idk, telling your enemies your plans might take the cake.

Well Cersei's plan wasn't genius either; she was completely dependent on a 15 year old kid and a boar whilst Barristan Selmy was with the king. Her plan succeeding was just good luck rather than actual intelligence.

But in the end did Ned's action really cause long term problems for the Starks the way Aerys will do for Dany?

Sansa or Rickon would be the children of Noble Ned, who died a hero

Dany on the hand is the Mad King's daughter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Idk, telling your enemies your plans might take the cake.

Honestly I love ned but no wonder it was RR.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites