CwScotty03 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I know that knights of the Kingsguard and men of the Night's Watch take certain vows, namely not to own land, take wives, or father children. I wondered though, do their lifelong vows prohibit them from being names Wardens in the realm? Even in Game of Thrones, Robert confesses to Ned that he's agreed to name Jaime Lannister as Warden of the East upon Jon Arryn's death instead of young Robert. And Ned Stark coolly points out that Jaime is already in a position to be given the title of Warden of the West should his father, Tywin, pass. This struck me as odd because inheritance, and presumably that title, would pass over Jaime because of his position on the Kingsguard. Is this just indicative of the politics involved as positions are awarded based on family affiliation rather than merit when A Song of Ice and Fire starts? Or are these titles allowed for members of these respective orders because "Warden" doesn't require owning any lands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkan12 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Kingsguard's job is serving the king. So if the king want them in the battle field for command they do. Like Barristan did or White Bull did. It is the same thing with being warden in that situation. So KG can serve as warden or hand of the king too if king want them. If any KG become Warden or Hand, it is not change anything they are keep serving the king and not own any title, lands etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Warden/Hand is a purely military or governmental post- it doesnt cause any vows regarding no holding lands/ fathering children to be broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vreejack Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (IMO) The Warden would be the supreme military commander for that region, a position that was largely unimportant in peace time. Supposedly in time of war a Warden would have authority over the high lords with regard to disposition of troops, and would answer only to the king/hand. Reality would probably be more awkward depending on the relative real authority of the people involved. And of course, the Warden of the North would be the Stark in Winterfell, or his uncle in the case of a minority. In the south, the choice would be more troublesome because of the rivalries between Highgarden and Sunspear. But when opposed by an external foe internal rivalries can be set aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourniquet Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I doubt that NW can be Warden. Kingsguard is a different matter as they are still members of the King's realm. NW takes no part in the realm and would not be granted a military title like Warden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourniquet Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (IMO) The Warden would be the supreme military commander for that region, a position that was largely unimportant in peace time. Supposedly in time of war a Warden would have authority over the high lords with regard to disposition of troops, and would answer only to the king/hand. Reality would probably be more awkward depending on the relative real authority of the people involved. And of course, the Warden of the North would be the Stark in Winterfell, or his uncle in the case of a minority. In the south, the choice would be more troublesome because of the rivalries between Highgarden and Sunspear. But when opposed by an external foe internal rivalries can be set aside.Warden of the North doesn't have to be a Stark as we have seen with the Boltons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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