mankytoes Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I'm not the best at spotting plot devices and stuff, but it suprises me there isn't a thread on this. Surely there's a reason they are all mutes. And cutting someone's tongue out isn't the best way to ensure their loyalty.Obviously his claims to having sailed into Valyria and that are highly suspect, but then he didn't get all that gold and treasure by sitting on his arse. Any ideas? Or do people not share my conviction that there must be an important reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankytoes Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 Wrong forum, sorry, meant for general stuff, please move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejhawman Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I'm going to say it's at least partly so they can't give their captain any guff. "Just shut up and do your job!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Crane Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I think it is stated at some point that Euron cut their tongues out but you do raise a good point that its not exactly a good idea on Euron's part to go around in a ship full of people he mutilated. So I agree there might be more too it, or it might indicate Euron has some sort of power up his sleeve that compels these people to fight for him even if he cuts their tongues out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasted Femur Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think it might be so they can't call bullshit on any of his stories about his voyages to Valyria etc. At one point, somebody (I think Rodrik Harlaw?) questions all of Euron's tales, and Euron basically just responds with threats. Euron is pretty well-established as a liar, so this exchange casts doubt on his supposed achievements.I also seem to remember somebody else, possibly Salladhor Saan, saying that mutes are ideal crewmen, though I don't recall the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPoobah Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 So they'll keep silent on his dabbling with black magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Grumpy Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Because Euron didn't sailed to Valyria...and also it's the Silence xD What did you expected ? :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Yeah, it's also not terribly convenient, you can only have certain people on lookout, there's no point having lookout who can't tell you what he sees, and for a crew to work efficiently they need to be able to exchange information with the mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankytoes Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 So they'll keep silent on his dabbling with black magic?He seems fairly open about that, though I guess he wouldn't want all the details out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Endrew Tarth Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Euron gets terrible migraines and can't stand all of the shouting on a normal ship. He sailed the entire known world looking for a cure, he even tried nightshade, but in the end the answer was there on his hip the whole time... a knife. :ack: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Blackfyre Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Euron is a sick bastard and does some crazy shit that he doesn't want anyone talking about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 It's an affirmative action thing. He was facing legal challenges for discriminating against mutes, so he decided to make one of his ships an all-mute people ship so that if anyone questions him again he can just point to that and say that he's an equal-opportunity employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brut Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Same reason why unsullied are castrated, I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manting Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I think just the rowers are mutes. I would guess he does it for anti-insubordination reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlan Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Who says any of them are actually mutes. I think all we have is whispered reports by drunk sailors, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Net-Viper X Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I think that Euron is a big phony and he cut the tongues out so they could not chatter in the brothels and bars about how their dipshit captain had never been within a hundred leagues of half the places he claims, and is in fact nothing more than a two bit con artist propped up by a 20 foot pillar of bullshit.I also do not believe for a second that he has real warlocks enslaved on his ship. Why exactly would they let him enslave them rather than just make him burst into flames with magic? If they aren't capable of using their magic to protect themselves then I would say they aren't much of warlocks. They are probably charlatans just like Euron himself that are merely posing as warlocks using a bag of cheap tricks to impress people and Euron didn't know any better and thinks he has captured the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varamyr Sixskins Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 People have a good case for Euron's motivation stemming from him being a charlatan, but perhaps part of the reason is a guilt for not having joined the three-eyed crow when he was younger. Perhaps, Bloodraven just nagged him so much it drove him a bit nuts, thus pushing him in the direction of trying to ensure silence on his ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Of Mid Afternoon Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Because Balon was mad, Aeron was madder, and Euron was maddest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianWolvie Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Yeah, it's also not terribly convenient, you can only have certain people on lookout, there's no point having lookout who can't tell you what he sees, and for a crew to work efficiently they need to be able to exchange information with the mate.Sign language, reading & writing, flag / light signals are also not outside the realm of possibility (we do these things IRL for sailing). So, chances are the mutes are still able to communicate the information necissary for the running of the ship / fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynnS Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'm guessing that they are "chained" or bound to him in some way. That being mute provides a ward of silence around his ship so that he can't be "seen" in the red god's night fires. I'm not sure that they actually have no tongues. Wex and the Dusky woman are also mute and I think Wex comes to Theon as his squire indirectly from Euron. Both understand language but are blocked from speaking in some way. It's not clear if they both have tongues or not. Euron seems to have some knowledge of magic or the ability to enslave magic users.From wiki:Although earlier ships had often had some form of bow ornamentation (e.g. the Viking ships of ca. A.D. 800–1100), the general practice was introduced with the galleons of the 16th century, as the figurehead as such could not come to be until ships had an actual stemhead structure on which to place it.[1] The menacing appearance of toothy and bug-eyed figureheads on Viking ships also had the protective function of warding off evil spirits.[2] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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