Jon of the Dead Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Does anyone else think the RW was a stroke of genius by GRRM in order to make the fandom agree on one thing for once?It doesn't matter if you are a Stan stan or a Dany stan, if you like the Lannisters or the Starks, if you think Dorne is boring or the Ironborn suck, the entire fandom comes together on one thing: everyone hates the Freys.And it's interesting how everyone hates them in-universe too, even their allies consider them the worst of the worst.Do you think this is true, or are there any Frey fans out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diremitar Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I think Fat Walda has some fans don't know how serious they are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undead Ned With No Head Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I like little Walder seems cool enough more so if he killed his cousin. Huh that's a weird thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Do you think this is true, or are there any Frey fans out there?There's always a few contrarians out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssalix Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Well i kinda get walder frey, the man didnt like getting played on, if i was him, i would still murder robb and his mother, like srsly i think robb was the dick in that situation and led himself to his own death, and as for catelyn , i hate her the most out of the all series.Basically catelyn is the reason for :Eddard's broken LegThe war which just destroyed almost everythingRemoving the most valuable captive from her son's hands.bitching about everyone except herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blede Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Well, I don't like them, but I don't think I outright hate them. I don't find the RW particularly repulsive (I mean I don't think it's worse than any other political assassination plot), and there are many Freys I like (the obvious Rosby Freys, "Gatehouse" Ami, Fat Walda, Big Walder, Stevron, Elmar, I even kinda like old lord Walder).Gregor Clegane is the true great equalizer, more than Ramsay or the Freys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejhawman Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Pretty much agree. Martin did a good job creating hatred for the Freys in general, just for the over-the-top action of their head of clan. Would any of his sons gone so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 Pretty much agree. Martin did a good job creating hatred for the Freys in general, just for the over-the-top action of their head of clan. Would any of his sons gone so far?Black Walder and Lame Lothar. They pretty much planned the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I love Freys. Political masterminds, defeated their enemies and with class. The whole thing about 'guest right' is superstitious bs. Robb Stark won all his battles with cunning and deceiving and nobody cares. This is war.Long live House Frey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Freys for Kings of Westeros 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 I love Freys. Political masterminds, defeated their enemies and with class. The whole thing about 'guest right' is superstitious bs. Robb Stark won all his battles with cunning and deceiving and nobody cares. This is war.Long live House Frey.Suddenly I don't feel so amoral for liking the Greyjoys and Tyrells :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*expletivedeleted* Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I dont have the books at hand, but i seem to recall someone pinning Lame Lothar as the most dangerous of the Freys. Might have been the PoV hung buy Stoneheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callmedodge Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 The whole thing about 'guest right' is superstitious bs. This is something that doesn`t get mentioned often enough. I guess people hold onto it because they want the entire Frey house to kick the bucket and if there`s a supernatural bulleye over their forehead it`s easier to believe they will.Nonsense. As for the Freys. I don`t care about them either way. Initially I was pissed at them and loved the idea of Lady Stoneheart going cold vengeance but after subsequent rereads I`m almost on their side. No quite there but as a poster said above, Robb was a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 This is something that doesn`t get mentioned often enough. I guess people hold onto it because they want the entire Frey house to kick the bucket and if there`s a supernatural bulleye over their forehead it`s easier to believe they will.Nonsense.I'd argue that there's very much a "supernatural bullseye" hanging over them: UnCat. And I say that as someone who generally thinks "curses" like this are self-fulfilling.As for the Freys: Joining the Lannisters publicly? Fine. Turning down Robb's offer of Edmure? Cool. Sitting the whole thing out and not aiding Robb at all? Sure. Going into a good-faith agreement only to murder hundreds of people who were protected by a social custom that has ensured stability for thousands of years? Fuck 'em. They deserve everything they're getting, from the hangings to the contempt they face from everyone else, even their Lannister masters. The decent ones like the Rosby Freys not withstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasthur Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Most of them are comedic deformed villians (the guy who gets Riverrun? Forgot his name), but I do like some of them; Black Walder for example. Oh, and pretty much every character in the books hates the Freys too. I guess that is the reason why they are all so grumpy and mean squealers all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Bear so Fair Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I like Frey pies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 People hate Frey because we don't have a Frey PoV. People hate who the characters hate because they're unable to think for themselves.The barbarian thing about the Frey pie is an example. It's way worse than anything any Frey has ever done but people still love it just because...It makes me sad. Freys are misunderstood and they're great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 I'd argue that there's very much a "supernatural bullseye" hanging over them: UnCat. And I say that as someone who generally thinks "curses" like this are self-fulfilling.As for the Freys: Joining the Lannisters publicly? Fine. Turning down Robb's offer of Edmure? Cool. Sitting the whole thing out and not aiding Robb at all? Sure. Going into a good-faith agreement only to murder hundreds of people who were protected by a social custom that has ensured stability for thousands of years? Fuck 'em. They deserve everything they're getting, from the hangings to the contempt they face from everyone else, even their Lannister masters. The decent ones like the Rosby Freys not withstanding. :agree: Guest right has its superstituous roots, but it also works as an accepted social custom that guarantees the guest's safety. The Freys broke this, so they rightfully are considered to be treacherous bastards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasthur Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 People hate Frey because we don't have a Frey PoV. People hate who the characters hate because they're unable to think for themselves.The barbarian thing about the Frey pie is an example. It's way worse than anything any Frey has ever done but people still love it just because...It makes me sad. Freys are misunderstood and they're great.We get the epilogue of ASOS with this guy who has this constant headache and is a latent alcoholic. That WAS sad, I understood him :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callmedodge Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I'd argue that there's very much a "supernatural bullseye" hanging over them: UnCat. And I say that as someone who generally thinks "curses" like this are self-fulfilling.UnCat might be around due to supernatural forces but, as far as we know, she`s not driven by them. It`s extremely easy to understand her goals and motivations and they`re clearly rooted in a human and emotional desire. Not because the gods are pissed at them.Although you could argue that Thoros was gifted his abilities for the sole reason of destroying the Freys.Edit: Spelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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