Angalin Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Really small question - Why is Cersei always referred to as "Cersei Lannister", when all the other married women (that I can tell) have been referred to with their husbands name? Catelyn is at times referred to as Catelyn Tully, but not too frequently (and usually only when referring to her before she was married), but I've never seen Cersei called "Cersei Baratheon" in the books. Is it because she never thought of herself as a Baratheon, but always as a Lannister, so GRRM wrote it that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan slayer of hot pies Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 In Got when selmy is dismissed from the KG he is told that Lord tywin has granted him lands, but Tywin is upset that he is dismissed. So why was it stated that he had given him lands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Really small question - Why is Cersei always referred to as "Cersei Lannister", when all the other married women (that I can tell) have been referred to with their husbands name? Catelyn is at times referred to as Catelyn Tully, but not too frequently (and usually only when referring to her before she was married), but I've never seen Cersei called "Cersei Baratheon" in the books. Is it because she never thought of herself as a Baratheon, but always as a Lannister, so GRRM wrote it that way?Simply because there are no personal cards, passports and driving licenses with your name on it in Westeros, so everyone is free to refer to married women by whatever surname they prefer.However, probably Cersei herself preferred to be addressed to as Cersei Lannister, so maybe the court picked on and started calling her that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 In Got when selmy is dismissed from the KG he is told that Lord tywin has granted him lands, but Tywin is upset that he is dismissed. So why was it stated that he had given him lands?Good catch. Probably Tywin didn't know about Selmy being dismissed at all, while Cersei granted him some lands in Westerlands without Tywin's knowledge and approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the silver queen Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Simply because there are no personal cards, passports and driving licenses with your name on it in Westeros, so everyone is free to refer to married women by whatever surname they prefer.However, probably Cersei herself preferred to be addressed to as Cersei Lannister, so maybe the court picked on and started calling her that way.Thanks. I figured it was probably just because she preferred it.. I just found it interesting that it wasn't just the characters that referred to her that way, but also GRRM, when writing about her, always referred to her as Lannister. It just stood out to me since he didn't do that with any other married woman. Which I guess says a lot about her character and how much she hated being married to Robert, and never saw herself as becoming part of the Baratheon house. Off-topic musing, but I always wondered how different her character might have turned out if she had married to someone she could have loved, like how she wanted Rhaegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin the Mighty Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 In Got when selmy is dismissed from the KG he is told that Lord tywin has granted him lands, but Tywin is upset that he is dismissed. So why was it stated that he had given him lands?Good catch. Probably Tywin didn't know about Selmy being dismissed at all, while Cersei granted him some lands in Westerlands without Tywin's knowledge and approval.It was just a charade, they probably intended to kill him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 It was just a charade, they probably intended to kill him...Well Varys probably wanted him with Dany or Aegon, and he's the one who actually maid the claim about Tywin giving him the lands. I think if Cersei was going to kill him she would have killed him and avoided the problem of retiring a Kingsguard member at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin the Mighty Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Well Varys probably wanted him with Dany or Aegon, and he's the one who actually maid the claim about Tywin giving him the lands. I think if Cersei was going to kill him she would have killed him and avoided the problem of retiring a Kingsguard member at all.Oh varys did, well then you are right, I withdraw my previous statement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dolorous Edd Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 In the Jon chapter in ADWD with the 9 wildlings survivors, there are six alive:MotherChildOld Man 1Old Man 2ThennHornfootTwo corpses and then one wounded MANbut later Jon says a pale faced crone is tied to the back of a garron. Where did she come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow's Third Eye Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 In aFfC, after running from the Sept of Baelor because of Lord Tywin's decomposing state, Tommen is told b his uncle Jamie that there are many horrors in the world, and one way of dealing with them is to 'go away inside.' Tommen then states he used to do that when Joffy... But is interrupted by Cersei and her sharp rebuke for calling him Joffy and shaming her.My question is: was Joffery violent towards Tommen? Was there more? Do we perhaps see a Aeron-Euron rusty hinge 2.0 with this? Or does it simply mean Joffery's cruelty extended to his siblings too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dolorous Edd Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 In aFfC, after running from the Sept of Baelor because of Lord Tywin's decomposing state, Tommen is told b his uncle Jamie that there are many horrors in the world, and one way of dealing with them is to 'go away inside.' Tommen then states he used to do that when Joffy...But is interrupted by Cersei and her sharp rebuke for calling him Joffy and shaming her.My question is: was Joffery violent towards Tommen? Was there more? Do we perhaps see a Aeron-Euron rusty hinge 2.0 with this? Or does it simply mean Joffery's cruelty extended to his siblings too?i think it means when he saw Joffrey doing horrible things he "went away inside." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodsteel bitterraven Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 How did the direwolf that Robb and Jon found go south of the Wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revenant6 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 The Prince That Was Promised - Who promised him/her? I checked the wiki and it seems like it is unclear. I fear (hope?) GRRM will do something genie-like with this concept and make people very careful about what they wish for. Could the "promise" be something ominus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 in affc kingsmoot euron has 'plate and pearls'?what is plate???i thought it meant silver plate but that wasnt around in our world untill 19th c. so maybe not.Anyone know?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 In aFfC, after running from the Sept of Baelor because of Lord Tywin's decomposing state, Tommen is told b his uncle Jamie that there are many horrors in the world, and one way of dealing with them is to 'go away inside.' Tommen then states he used to do that when Joffy... But is interrupted by Cersei and her sharp rebuke for calling him Joffy and shaming her.My question is: was Joffery violent towards Tommen? Was there more? Do we perhaps see a Aeron-Euron rusty hinge 2.0 with this? Or does it simply mean Joffery's cruelty extended to his siblings too?I'm sure he abused him. Whether it was sexual I don't think we can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 How did the direwolf that Robb and Jon found go south of the Wall?'Round the Shadow Tower, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 How did the direwolf that Robb and Jon found go south of the Wall?It's not impossible to get by the Wall just difficult to get by with large numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not in the face Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Who brought the common tongue to Westeros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Who brought the common tongue to Westeros?The Andals.Wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Is there a program for PC that lets me use colours and bolding etc. so i can do an OP on it and c & p into thread maker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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