Lady Asha Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 I agree he should have had a massive paralyzing stroke so he could have been alive as he helplessly watched Cersei drive his house down the gutter before passing away in disgrace.LOL wow. Why the hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 LOL wow. Why the hate?Because, Tywin is one of the worst people in the books yet he still got to die with some dignity(or at least have it treated that way). While, Ned, Catelyn, and Robb were all millions times better then but had to go out without respect and have their bodies desecrated and humiliated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asha Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 Because, Tywin is one of the worst people in the books yet he still got to die with some dignity(or at least have it treated that way). While, Ned, Catelyn, and Robb were all millions times better then but had to go out without respect and have their bodies desecrated and humiliated.See...Robb was kind of a giant idiot. A sweet idiot. But an idiot all the same. And while I like him personally, I admire Tywin's sheer cunning. And I don't actually think he's evil. He's just on the unpopular side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 See...Robb was kind of a giant idiot. A sweet idiot. But an idiot all the same. And while I like him personally, I admire Tywin's sheer cunning. And I don't actually think he's evil. He's just on the unpopular side.Tywin was an emotionally abusive father, had two children murdered, "failed" to specify not to kill Elia or to make the children's deaths quick, wiped out 2 entire houses, had Tyrion's wife gangraped IN FRONT OF Tyrion, and you don't think he should be qualified as evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosimaistheHottest Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Because, Tywin is one of the worst people in the books yet he still got to die with some dignity(or at least have it treated that way). While, Ned, Catelyn, and Robb were all millions times better then but had to go out without respect and have their bodies desecrated and humiliated. :agree:See...Robb was kind of a giant idiot. A sweet idiot. But an idiot all the same. And while I like him personally, I admire Tywin's sheer cunning. And I don't actually think he's evil. He's just on the unpopular side.I don't think it is because Tywin is on the unpopular side. Even if he was on the protagonists side, plenty of people would still think he was a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 And I don't actually think he's evil. He's just on the unpopular side.He ordered a young girl to be brutally raped because she married his son, so yeah he is evil. Also, for all of his cunning he still had to cheat to defeat a boy who was around a third of his age and that he even with have some of the greatest luck in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMysteriousOne Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Tywin is a monster. He isn't hated just because he's on the unpopular side LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberry Stark Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Sure, Tywin's not so bad. He just ordered the gang-rape of his son's wife by his garrison of soldiers. It was probably only about fifty - one hundred men. He also had his dad's mistress paraded naked through the streets. He also proudly presented Elia, Aegon, and Rhaella's corpses to Robert. He also ordered Gregor to rape and pillage the Riverlands. And the Brave Companions. And Amory Loch. He's not evil, just unpopular. I mean, he's only responsible for more rape and murder than probably anyone else in the books, but he's admirable because at least he gets things done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 See...Robb was kind of a giant idiot. A sweet idiot.Robb started a war causing thousands of deaths in the name of honour and because he was pissed his father was executed for treason, he wasn't "sweet". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Sure, Tywin's not so bad. He just ordered the gang-rape of his son's wife by his garrison of soldiers. It was probably only about fifty - one hundred men. He also had his dad's mistress paraded naked through the streets. He also proudly presented Elia, Aegon, and Rhaella's corpses to Robert. He also ordered Gregor to rape and pillage the Riverlands. And the Brave Companions. And Amory Loch. He's not evil, just unpopular. I mean, he's only responsible for more rape and murder than probably anyone else in the books, but he's admirable because at least he gets things done!While we're at it, Aerys was awesome because at least the ravens came on time. :B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Robb started a war causing thousands of deaths in the name of honour and because he was pissed his father was executed for treason, he wasn't "sweet".The Lannisters had already started the war before Robb did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberry Stark Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 While we're at it, Aerys was awesome because at least the ravens came on time. :BTrue. And, say what you want about him as a husband, father, and ruler, but at least Aerys had style. Have you checked out his nails? I feel bad for a guy like that who is a fashion innovator, living as a king in a medieval setting where he doesn't even get to win best dressed of the week on the E network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lareine Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Elia Martell and her children, Queen Rhaella, Gilly and all of Craster's daughter's/wives, Jeyne Poole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 While we're at it, Aerys was awesome because at least the ravens came on time. :BHe's miles ahead of Tywin IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 The Lannisters had already started the war before Robb did.:agree: Tywin started it when he sent The Mountain to rape and pillage the Riverlands. While Robb did have personal motives behind to fight the Lannisters he didn't just march through the Riverlands and ignore them, no in fact the main reason he called his banners and marched south was to defend Riverrun, rescuing and later avenging Ned was just a secondary objective, although I doubt Robb would have quit fighting them until they returned Ned and later allowed the North independence withe Riverlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 The Lannisters had already started the war before Robb did.Two play that game.Robb is just as responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Two play that game.Robb is just as responsible.so he is just supposed to sit by while Lannister men rape and pillage the Riverlands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavosSeaworthy Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I actually feel sorry for Theon, he was put in a tough situation, to choose between his best friend and his family, and his family was his choice, and they suck. He realizes his error only after he was totally destroyed by Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asha Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 Tywin was an emotionally abusive father, had two children murdered, "failed" to specify not to kill Elia or to make the children's deaths quick, wiped out 2 entire houses, had Tyrion's wife gangraped IN FRONT OF Tyrion, and you don't think he should be qualified as evil.Well, truthfully, Tywin's parenting style is close to mine own heart. It creates strong children. I sort of hate to say that but in Westeros, I'd much rather have Tywin Lannister for a father than some honorable fool who gets us all killed.Ned Stark would've been *nice* to have for a daddy. Sure. But that doesn't actually seem to work out so well in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Asha Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 Sure, Tywin's not so bad. He just ordered the gang-rape of his son's wife by his garrison of soldiers. It was probably only about fifty - one hundred men. He also had his dad's mistress paraded naked through the streets. He also proudly presented Elia, Aegon, and Rhaella's corpses to Robert. He also ordered Gregor to rape and pillage the Riverlands. And the Brave Companions. And Amory Loch. He's not evil, just unpopular. I mean, he's only responsible for more rape and murder than probably anyone else in the books, but he's admirable because at least he gets things done!I'm not saying Ty Ty should be named a saint by the bloody seven, here. I just think *evil* is a stretch. It seems to be he is reactive, rather than evil for evil's sake. A sadist he is not. Just cold and pragmatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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