Estheros Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Hi all,I am rather new here, so am not sure whether this came up before or not.On my reread I found this curious:'He [Pate] had heard there were four [glass candles in the Citadel]; one was green and three were black, and all were tall and twisted.'Is it a Targaryen vs Blackfyre representation?Also, the word twisted is often used to describe Tyrion (am not convinced on him being a Targ though).Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A bowl of brown Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I'm not sure its a Targ Blackfyre thing, that would be red/black. The glass candles are used to see things very far away. It's been speculated Quaithe is using other candles when she speaks to Dany. I imagine there is something different about the green one but I would guess its what it does rather than it representing/forshadowing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estheros Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 Yes, you are right, it should be red then.Any ideas why is it green then?Marwyn lit a black one IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Yes, you are right, it should be red then.Any ideas why is it green then?Marwyn lit a black one IIRC.Probably just coincidence, but green and black were the colours of the factions in a previous Targ civil war - the Dance of Dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nival Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 How old these candles are supposed to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estheros Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 'It was said that they had been brought to Oldtown from Valyria a thousand years before the Doom.'How old these candles are supposed to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMerciless Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Urrathon Night Walker is also said to have candles of his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Some people related them with the Palantirs from The Lord of The RingsStones that can make you able to see other locations, where there are others of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanderOfTheFaith Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I think the glass candles are too old and important to be linked to an insignificant family as the targaryans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSnow House Stark Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I think the glass candles are too old and important to be linked to an insignificant family as the targaryans.LOL, seriously!?!? Are you just trolling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I think the glass candles are too old and important to be linked to an insignificant family as the targaryans.Insignificant?Dude, are you for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tam Stark Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 pretty random but could it represent 4 eyes(for seeing)? tyrion 1 green and 1 black, BR 1 black and euron 1 black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Walder Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Insignificant?Dude, are you for real?They were a minor family in Freehold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 They were a minor family in Freehold.and they were kings of Westeros for almost 300 years, they had dragons, they were the first family to make 7 kingdoms just one realmthese make them a lesser house?they were the only family to unite the 7 kingdoms in one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Deschain of Gilead Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Insignificant?Dude, are you for real?As far as we know, the Targs were insignificant 1,000 years before the doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoracchius Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I think the glass candles are too old and important to be linked to an insignificant family as the targaryans.LOL, seriously!?!? Are you just trolling?I think he was referring to the Targs' status in the Freehold. As it has been pointed out, the glass candles supposedly were brought to Westeros 1,000 years before the Doom (roughly 1,400 years ago), so it seems highly unlikely that their colors are related to the Dance with Dragons or any other post-Conquest Targ activity.No need to accuse someone of being a troll. That's just being unfriendly to a relatively new member of the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I think he was referring to the Targs' status in the Freehold. As it has been pointed out, the glass candles supposedly were brought to Westeros 1,000 years before the Doom (roughly 1,400 years ago), so it seems highly unlikely that their colors are related to the Dance with Dragons or any other post-Conquest Targ activity.No need to accuse someone of being a troll. That's just being unfriendly to a relatively new member of the forums.Absolutely, SanderOfTheFaith made a very valid point about the possibility of the colours or any other aspect of the candles being in-story causally related to the Targaryen family - it's extremely unlikely given the lack of importance of the Targ family in the relevant time frame 1400 years ago, the approximate age of the candles.Of course, there's nothing to preclude a literary relation - the Targs are important in the course of the books, and GRRM might have hidden some nifty symbolism in the property of the candles. However, "might" is the crucial word here, cause as far as I can see we haven't actually found a good candidate for such a connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estheros Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 People think the number of rubies found represent the targs who are alive, that dragonhead found in the river represent Aegon, why not the number/colour of the glass candles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMerciless Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 In the Citadel one green and one black have been lit, right? I wonder if this means anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estheros Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 In the Citadel one green and one black have been lit, right? I wonder if this means anything.Who lit the green, I can't remember. Marwyn has the black one lit, but is it one of those 4 or his own?Does he communicate with Quaite or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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