jet199 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I can't believe everyone thinks that Dunk really only got a lock of hair from the Red Widow. When I read that scene it's pretty obvious that the next thing that happens after he kisses her is not asking for a lock of hair. Dunk is too much of a gentleman to start boasting to Egg about it so he doesn't let on. No wonder GRRM feels he had to intimately describe sex scenes when any kind of subtlety passes right over most people's heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 No wonder GRRM feels he had to intimately describe sex scenes when any kind of subtlety passes right over most people's heads. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 It's never said that she is the same height as Dunk, just that he wouldn't have to kneel to kiss her. Dunk is 6'11" according to Aemon when he measured him at the Citadel. Even a woman who is six feet tall would still have to stand on her toes to kiss someone that tall. :) Well, that's not what I quoted. Dunk thinks that Tanselle is the right height for kissing. I don't see how someone standing on their toes might be described as "the right height" for the activity, and here I presume the male cooperating, i.e. lowering his head. As for your example, it is pretty common in RL that the man is a head taller, yet kissing requires no special gymnastics. I'm not very tall myself but I sure don't have to stand on my toes. I can't believe everyone thinks that Dunk really only got a lock of hair from the Red Widow. When I read that scene it's pretty obvious that the next thing that happens after he kisses her is not asking for a lock of hair. Dunk is too much of a gentleman to start boasting to Egg about it so he doesn't let on. No wonder GRRM feels he had to intimately describe sex scenes when any kind of subtlety passes right over most people's heads. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I can't believe everyone thinks that Dunk really only got a lock of hair from the Red Widow. When I read that scene it's pretty obvious that the next thing that happens after he kisses her is not asking for a lock of hair. Dunk is too much of a gentleman to start boasting to Egg about it so he doesn't let on. No wonder GRRM feels he had to intimately describe sex scenes when any kind of subtlety passes right over most people's heads. I felt it more likely they had had sex previously, when she was plotting to use him. Now he learns of her marriage and takes her hair in revenge. Of course, thats interpreting the stories as told as more or less the children's versions of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Daegon Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Brienne is the descendant of Duncan as GRRM told us. Old Nan's true name is a mystery but i dont buy it being Nymeria. She is most likely a wildling woman. Ygritte told Jon that they remember so many things are forgotten at the south of the wall. Old Nan's stories are unique and all of them are of the North. And the woman kissing Duncan in Bran's vision could be any. There are numereous Stark daughters, aunts and widows at that time. The upcoming D%E story is called The Sheowolves of Winterfell. In short, your theory is most likely wrong. Is there a SSM on this? I don't recall ever reading this, but I do find it wildly intriguing! I've often wondered at how his shield ended up in the armory of Tarth, and the connection it has with Big Brienne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 A Kingsguard can't, they're sworn to celibacy. I just don't understand how you can write this. We know of several KG who are known to break their vows. Of course, he couldn't openly acknowledge the child to all and sundry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 The red widows daughter being Brienne's mother sounds about right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Going back to the OP: I don't think that Gregor being one of Dunk's descendants is such a huge stretch. The fact that someone's ancestor was a decent person doesn't mean that his descendants can't turn out monsters. It would be a sort of counterbalance to Brienne, who is basically Dunk reborn. Brienne, Hodor, Gregor and Sandor... didn't GRRM say that there were four Dunk descendants, or am I misremembering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Is there a SSM on this? I don't recall ever reading this, but I do find it wildly intriguing! I've often wondered at how his shield ended up in the armory of Tarth, and the connection it has with Big Brienne. As far as I know it's never confirmed, just hints that there is a descendant in the books.SSMAsked if he'll ever tell which character is Dunk's descendent. Got a rather acerbic, "I gave a pretty strong hint in the new book," to which I sheepishly replied "Yea, but I read it real fast, in three days."" I told him I suspected Brienne but thought that she was too obvious and that he'd be more subtle than that and he said, "You think?" Coy bastard.Brienne aFfC:The captain’s sister found her in the common room, drinking a cup of milk and honey withthree raw eggs mixed in. “You did beautifully,” she said, when the woman showed her thefreshly painted shield. It was more a picture than a proper coat of arms, and the sight of it tookher back through the long years, to the cool dark of her father’s armory. She remembered howshe’d run her fingertips across the cracked and fading paint, over the green leaves of the tree, andalong the path of the falling star. Going back to the OP: I don't think that Gregor being one of Dunk's descendants is such a huge stretch. The fact that someone's ancestor was a decent person doesn't mean that his descendants can't turn out monsters. It would be a sort of counterbalance to Brienne, who is basically Dunk reborn. Brienne, Hodor, Gregor and Sandor... didn't GRRM say that there were four Dunk descendants, or am I misremembering?He's never mentioned there being four, that's one of those things that comes up everytime we have one of these threads and no one can ever seem to find a quote to support it. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal BlackfyreO Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Its obviously Tyrion, half Targ, half Dunk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sertravisredbeard Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I thought it was heavily implied that Dunk hooked up with Rohanne before he and Egg left. She would have been wanting to make sure to have an heir for her new partly-politically motivated marriage. Apparently Dunk's height and knightly prowess made him quite the catch for the ladies. It's not hard to think up a scenario of him ending up on Tarth for some reason and drawing the attention of some Tarth lord's sister or daughter. We've already seen many scenarios in the books of families almost dying out without heirs, so one passing off a bastard fathered by Dunk or one of his children being inserted into the family line isn't that far-fetched. Plus GRRM's heavily implied evidence of Dunk being on Tarth for some reason and the author telling us implicitly that one of Dunk's heirs is in the books all points to Brienne. Other possiblities include Tallad the Tall, the Cleganes, Hodor, Left and Right, and Grenn in my opinion. But Brienne is definitely one of Dunk's descendants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Like Davos Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Wait wait waitDunk mounted her in the stables?Never got that impression.He kissed her, cut her braid and left.Always leave them wanting more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sertravisredbeard Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 He could have left her wanting more. Then he could have went back to give more to her. I hope it was after Lord Osgrey died, so there could be rumors about Lord Osgrey's legendary member like that one Plumm guy that knocked up his Targaryen princess after he was dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 That would explain Brienne's freckles, inherited from her webber genes. The freakish tall thing can skip generations just like the freckles. I like that exploration. I can't believe everyone thinks that Dunk really only got a lock of hair from the Red Widow. When I read that scene it's pretty obvious that the next thing that happens after he kisses her is not asking for a lock of hair. Dunk is too much of a gentleman to start boasting to Egg about it so he doesn't let on. No wonder GRRM feels he had to intimately describe sex scenes when any kind of subtlety passes right over most people's heads. :agree: I'm afraid the elaborate sex scenes help cover over the subtle hints, allowing to overlook them. OT: Grrm said something like he never understood how so many readers did not get the Renly-Loras thing, he'd thought he'd written it plain and obvious. Sansa did not get it, either? She got even fewer clues than the readers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungWheats Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Hoster Blackwood is one of Dunk's descendant's, as far as my money goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Orletti Penedo Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I think Old Nan is one of the many doors GRRM leaves open to add something later on. Don't know if he really will open this door really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Ah I get your post on bastards now, because Brienne is trueborn - quite so. It dosent matter that Old Nan isnt tall, people shrink with age - and as for her getting to Winterfell, isnt it said that Neds father brought her on as a servant girl No, old people do not shrunk that much. It's impossible. The Old Nan = Tanselle theory makes no sense. If you think Dunk got it on with Old Nan, it's far more likely to have happened in Winterfell, which we know is going to be the setting of the next Dunk and Egg story, "She-Wolves of Winterfell", than in Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I like that exploration. :agree: I'm afraid the elaborate sex scenes help cover over the subtle hints, allowing to overlook them. OT: Grrm said something like he never understood how so many readers did not get the Renly-Loras thing, he'd thought he'd written it plain and obvious. Sansa did not get it, either? She got even fewer clues than the readers... Sansa didn't really get any Loras/Renly clues, since she interacted with Loras just twice in the entire series. She did get the clue that Loras wasn't interested in her, though, even though she didn't know the reason why. Wait wait waitDunk mounted her in the stables?Never got that impression.He kissed her, cut her braid and left.Always leave them wanting more He didn't cut off her braid, he cut off a lock of her hair. (Although I've seen the theory that the hair was not from her head... :D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Like Davos Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Sansa didn't really get any Loras/Renly clues, since she interacted with Loras just twice in the entire series. She did get the clue that Loras wasn't interested in her, though, even though she didn't know the reason why. He didn't cut off her braid, he cut off a lock of her hair. (Although I've seen the theory that the hair was not from her head... :D) "He reached under his cloak, brought out the braid and smiled." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 If someone is the right height to kiss, then the definitely do not need to stand on the tips of their toes. Tanselle is too tall, taller than the average populace but she's the right height for Dunk. THe girl in Bran's vision is not the right height.As far as what you're doing, it amounts to more than standing on your mental toes. That narrow an interpretation is quite the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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