Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Thank you for the link! I'm a Doctor, but probably not the one you expected! That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felice Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I believe they just formally canonised the Big Finish audio range :) But not the books. That bugs me somewhat. Otherwise, a very very nice surprise to wake up to! 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alguien Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 That. Was. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Some of the prequel mini-episodes for previous series have felt a bit pointless, but that one was good. I'm not sure why the Doctor didn't leave the ship before it crashed since he didn't appear to have a plan to save the pilot, but maybe he misjudged the timing? I've not seen the McGann movie, so this was the first time I'd seen him as the Doctor. It is a pity he didn't get to do it for longer since he is a good actor and manages to do a good job of portraying a Doctor in only five minutes. I think it did an efficient job of explaining why the John Hurt 'Doctor' became who he was and also why he had a different character to the other regenerations, because he was designed to be what was needed to end the Time War. Edit : Apparently 'Quote' and 'Spoiler' aren't the same things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I think it is also interesting that he regenerated as a young John Hurt. It show he spent a very long time fighting the Time War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Well that almost makes up for all the piffle that Moffat has spin around the entire idea of Doctor Who since he has been in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 That was a treat but why did they give him such an idiotic death? I'd rather he'd went back in the TARDIS and then coerced into helping via the woman's death-by-timelord-hatred. Other than that it was really nice for Mcgann to be given some respect and from the 5 minutes we had of him I can't help but think we lost out on only seeing him in the movie. Makes me almost hope that he is in the special. Need to check out all of Moffat's quotes now as I'm pretty sure he said "McGann isn't in the anniversary special". But he was in the mini meaning a lot of his statements could be misleading while technically true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Fucking A. You could not have put a better title on that..... Having just watch the movie on The Doctors Revisited. As much as people bitch about it, they did a lot of it good things, but McGann was perfect choice, glad he got finally got a curtain call as the Doctor. I'm a Doctor, but probably not the one you expected! That is correct. Yes, that was perfect. Well that almost makes up for all the piffle that Moffat has spin around the entire idea of Doctor Who since he has been in charge. Moffat really does a lot of things right w/ Who, he just always adds that little something else that is stupid, pointless, that takes a way from all the good he has done and leaves a bitter taste. Kind of like make an amazing cake, and then pissing on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 BWS,What is Moffat adding that is pissing so many people off? I've only recently gotten into the last couple of seasons of DW. What are y'all talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alytha Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I find it amazing how fast the Moff turned from saviour to Antichrist about 5 seconds after the beginning of hidss first episode as showrunner.Suddenly, he seems to be as bad, if not worse as RTD, although everybody loved him before. Which does not mean that I unconditionally loved all of his episodes. But this hate is a bit over the top. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I still prefer him over RTD by a long shot. I've also reconciled myself with the fact it's a children's show first and foremost and a lot of my gripes with Moffat is because he is catering to that audience. I guess there's a lot of unresolved or weirdly resolved stories that's an iteration but the target audience is my main gripe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Moffat is basically a Lost writer on steroids. He poses questions and mysteries and then does one of two things: he over-explains and over-uses them to the point where they become boring and actively offensive to use (River Song, possibly the Weeping Angels) or he gets bored and wanders off without satisfyingly answering the mysteries (the exploding TARDIS, the Silence etc), though rumour has it that a few apparently abandoned plot points will be revisited in the Christmas special (and the 50th will allegedly resolve a lot of outstanding Time War stuff) so he can still turn that around. More to the point, he's become a much poorer writer since he became showrunner and also started writing a lot more episodes per season (something both he and RTD felt was necessary, though it isn't really; most of the old Who showrunners never wrote an episode at all, in fact). In the RTD era, when Moffat could focus his energies solely on the couple of scripts he wrote per year, they ended up being outstanding. Now he hasn't got that time and they fall flat. He's also in love with time paradoxes as solutions to problems, which was fine a couple of times but now has become insanely annoying. Doctor Who had very specific rules about how it couldn't pull bullshit solutions out of thin air (most notably that the same Doctor could not cross his own timestream, something Matt Smith has done two or three times now) and Moffat has ignored them. He's also very keen on DEM and nonsensical technobabble. This isn't new in Who, of course, but certainly the overwhelming frequency at which such things are being used is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Toblerone Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I loved Moffat's first series in charge. Since then, it's been more hit and miss. The arc-heavy stories in particular fell flat to me. But when it's good, it can still be very good. Moffat also seems to want to build a mystery round every companion. It worked with Amy, he wrecked it with River, with Clara it was just "who cares?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I think it is also interesting that he regenerated as a young John Hurt. It show he spent a very long time fighting the Time War It also: gives a nice implicit explanation for why McGann looks older, as he must have been worn down a bit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I find it amazing how fast the Moff turned from saviour to Antichrist about 5 seconds after the beginning of hidss first episode as showrunner. Suddenly, he seems to be as bad, if not worse as RTD, although everybody loved him before. I've also noticed it feels like RTD gets more praise now than he did when he was running the show, at the time he got at least as many complaints as Moffat does nowadays. I'd say Moffat's first season in charge is probably the best of the 'new' seasons. The next two had plenty of good episodes but the overall story got very confused at times (particularly the River Song story arc), I think Wert's Lost comparison is fairly apt there since it was another show that had many good episodes but no clue about where it was heading. I'd still say on average that despite his flaws Moffat has more good episodes than the RTD era did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 BWS,What is Moffat adding that is pissing so many people off? I've only recently gotten into the last couple of seasons of DW. What are y'all talking about?Mostly what Werthead said, and ... The other big thing is he/new Who keeps doing the same thing, over and over again. Classic Who, companions from time to time saved the Doctor, and IIRC 2 died doing it, but other then the lingering effects after Adric death, it wasn't that big a deal. He thanked them, but it wasn't the get all that ends all, fate bring it all together. Rose and Bad WolfMartha and the fob watchDoctor Donna ( lesser extent Jack dying, and Rose bring him back)Amy remembering him at her wedding ( to lesser extent Rory's kept coming back from the dead)Everything about River SongEverything to do w/ Clara the impossible girl All of the primary companions are female, most that fell for him and they all were born to save the Doctor?How many times did the 10th and 11th Doctors think they were really going to die, for the final time? How many times did they say farewell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I wonder, since we've now seen the McGann/Hurt regeneration, might the special end with Hurt/Eccleston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I wonder, since we've now seen the McGann/Hurt regeneration, might the special end with Hurt/Eccleston? From what I've read Eccleston has denied to be in the special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 From what I've read Eccleston has denied to be in the special Didn't stop Colin Baker regenerating. :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yeah: We might see the start of the regeneration and the insinuation that it ends with Eccleston getting up and putting on his leather jacket, but without actually showing his face. Or showing the TARDIS landing on Earth in 2005 or something. You could also use stock footage, though Eccleston might need to give permission for that (which he may or may not have agreed to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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