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Lord Klax Stark

The Might of Skagos

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How many men do you think Skagos can field? As a fairly large island filled with a supposedly martial people, I would put the number at about 5-10k. Any thoughts?

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Not very many at all. It seems (by reputation) a thinly peopled backwater, with an awful climate, and largely shunned even by other Northmen.


What people it has are likely dangerous, but in a xenophobic "Skull Island" sort of way.

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Boy, those Lannisters sure are lucky that Robb left like 3/4ths of the North's strength behind when he marched south, huh? Between the Skagosi and the mountain clans Robb's host probably could have outnumbered Joffrey's 3 to 1!


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Well all things considered we are minus some 35000 to 40000 men that the North should have based on its estimated size and probable population. I don't see skagos as having 5000 to 10000 men as too ridiculous given that it has at least three houses and is composed of multiple islands. Plus as was pointed out before they did rebel in the past few generations, even killed a stark lord in the process. That speaks for some military capacity

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Boy, those Lannisters sure are lucky that Robb left like 3/4ths of the North's strength behind when he marched south, huh? Between the Skagosi and the mountain clans Robb's host probably could have outnumbered Joffrey's 3 to 1!

I know its sarcasm, but there is enough of a issue of Skagos that is made by GRRM to view it as something as moderately populated. Several Stark lords lost their lives when they rebelled so they do likely have some strength to show for it, though probably not "might".

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Well all things considered we are minus some 35000 to 40000 men that the North should have based on its estimated size and probable population. I don't see skagos as having 5000 to 10000 men as too ridiculous given that it has at least three houses and is composed of multiple islands. Plus as was pointed out before they did rebel in the past few generations, even killed a stark lord in the process. That speaks for some military capacity

There are eight houses in in the neck and there is no way they have 5,000 men so Skgaos with their 3 houses have no chance at that number.

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I doubt the island has too many people on it, but it was at one time able to rebel in such a way that it was a struggle to put the rebellion down. So even if it's not heavily populated, something about it — the people's methods, percentage of the population that can fight — is formidable.


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There are eight houses in in the neck and there is no way they have 5,000 men so Skgaos with their 3 houses have no chance at that number.

The population density of an area isn't dependent on the number of houses in said area.

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The population density of an area isn't dependent on the number of houses in said area.

Of course not, but my reply was to someone who thought it was so maybe you should be replying to them as well.

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Of course not, but my reply was to someone who thought it was so maybe you should be replying to them as well.

my bad

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I believe it's a fairly good indicator of population size, though definitely not a determinative factor. Besides I started a thread a while back asking a similar question about the strength of house reed. The estimate was about 3k to 5k men, and the neck is probably more inhospitable then skagos

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I doubt the island has too many people on it, but it was at one time able to rebel in such a way that it was a struggle to put the rebellion down. So even if it's not heavily populated, something about it — the people's methods, percentage of the population that can fight — is formidable.

If you have no ships, it isnt easy to stop a rebellion of 500 men with a ship :D

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percentage of the population that can fight

It's probably this. Skagos most likely has a small population but a greater proportion of it's population may fill the warrior class.

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I doubt the island has too many people on it, but it was at one time able to rebel in such a way that it was a struggle to put the rebellion down. So even if it's not heavily populated, something about it — the people's methods, percentage of the population that can fight — is formidable.

I think that part of the problem with putting down the Skagos uprising would be its remote location and the lack of a northern navy.

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It doesn't take much of a navy to simply land on an island. Plus the north has plenty of ships that could be used to transport men, it just doesn't have a war fleet, or at least it didn't

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I think their army would be around 3k or 4k, 10k would be too big.





I think that part of the problem with putting down the Skagos uprising would be its remote location and the lack of a northern navy.





Yes, without navy you can't take an island so easy. Especially vast island like Skagos...


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1-2k, but Unicorn Cavalry is at least 5x as effective as normal horse cavalry.


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There are eight houses in in the neck and there is no way they have 5,000 men so Skgaos with their 3 houses have no chance at that number.

How do you know how many men the Neck can or cannot raise?

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In my view, each of the Neck Houses can likely raise in the region of 500 men. Meaning the Neck likely can raise 4000+ men.

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I doubt the island has too many people on it, but it was at one time able to rebel in such a way that it was a struggle to put the rebellion down. So even if it's not heavily populated, something about it — the people's methods, percentage of the population that can fight — is formidable.

True, but I rather think, that they used some kind of guerilla tactic while using their home advantage to the fullest.

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