Goodbye World Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 What I'm looking for is a nice quest story, with some wise old mentors, tons of intrigue, hero/heroine from some remote corner who needs to learn and become fit to fight evil/the villains, and so on. If, along the way, the story changes and becomes non-cliche, that is fine. The First Law Trilogy is exactly what your looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I don't know if Brett was really trying to bash any RL culture/religion but his portrayal of the Arab-esque people is pretty questionable. Beyond that, the books fucking suck after the first one - everything related to relationships comes off as if the author decided he would put his break up woes and tearful jack-off fantasies on the page. Total garbage and I trusted him enough as an author to buy the first & second hardcover. Wow. Total garbage? I'll grant you that the love triangle that should/could have been between the three mains was a bit erm...adolescent, I spose, but seeing as how those characters were little more than adolesecents when this was occurring I let it pass. You have to factor in the fact that none of them has ever had any sort of serious romantic relationship up to that point. I believe both Arlen and Leesha are essentially virgins (outside of Leesha being gangraped) at the time that they almost first hook up. So it would stand to reason that their relationship is a bit of a "tearful jack-off fantasy". The only real complaint I have with the series is the ease of which both the protagonist and the anti-hero had in disposing of what should have been a mortal threat from their antagonists in the third book. Seemed a bit to easy. Outside of that, I've enjoyed this series immensely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzer32 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The First Law Trilogy is exactly what your looking for. +1 can't get more generic than Abercombie's First law trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I believe both Arlen and Leesha are essentially virgins (outside of Leesha being gangraped) at the time that they almost first hook up. So it would stand to reason that their relationship is a bit of a "tearful jack-off fantasy". Oh I was referring to Book Two. Book One is actually a great fantasy story overall - for a debut I'd say it was 4/5 stars. In fact I'm just going to pretend that subsequent novels were never written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Oh I was referring to Book Two. Book One is actually a great fantasy story overall - for a debut I'd say it was 4/5 stars. In fact I'm just going to pretend that subsequent novels were never written. But that sets the tone for their unrequited relationship throughout the rest of the novels thus far. I get that it's an overused trope, but it's hardly garbage. Arlen is essentially Batman. A hero so obessed with his quest that he decides that getting involved with anyone else romantically would be an extremely selfish thing to do. Until he comes across a girl who is just as obsessed with the same quest as he is. So he takes up with his Robin. I guess that would make Leesha Batgirl, who has currently taken up with Ras Al Ghul. :cool4: I realize this is a bit of a simplistic analysis of their romance, but I'd hardly describe as being total garbage. It's a trope that is as old as fiction, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borque Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 A serious suggestion - Kay's Fionavar Tapestry? Granted, it's not Kay's best work, but it is definitely 'good enough' and would fit the bill very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeyed chicken Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 that'd be interesting, if melisandre's lord of light turns out as some kind of high tech posthuman euhemerized hindu stuff. I seem to recall that it's along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodbye World Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 +1 can't get more generic than Abercombie's First law trilogy. Based on OP's definition of generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 But that sets the tone for their unrequited relationship throughout the rest of the novels thus far. I get that it's an overused trope, but it's hardly garbage. The romance stuff in Book One is fine. Book Two is where stuff goes off the rails. Leesha's character is just ridiculous - feeling guilty for preventing her own rape in book one and shacking up with the guy who allows his soldiers to rape women (not to mention she's drugged and this doesn't seem to be a moral problem). It's been awhile since I read Book Two. There's a lot more nonsense but my mind seems to have freed up memory for better purposes. eta: His voice rasped. “Get down, teratologist bitches. Unsatisfy me. Frustrate me.” Hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanussen Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I heard some good things about The Malazan Book of the Fallen series. Is there somebody who knows it? Will you recommend it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 All down on page 2... (there are more if you look) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanussen Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Ah, thanks, I didn't see that topic, my bad :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 A Che t-shirt? Seriously? Obviously Happy Ent thinks you like Shadows of the Apt so much that you'd have a t-shirt with the lead character's face on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I don't know if Brett was really trying to bash any RL culture/religion but his portrayal of the Arab-esque people is pretty questionable. Beyond that, the books fucking suck after the first one - everything related to relationships comes off as if the author decided he would put his break up woes and tearful jack-off fantasies on the page. Total garbage and I trusted him enough as an author to buy the first & second hardcover. The really unsettling part is that he talks in interviews a lot about how 9/11 inspired..well maybe not inspired..but influenced the book a lot. That kind of sets of my Orson Scott Card alert. I also REALLY liked the first book. The second....not as much, although I would argue it doesn't start to suck dick til about 1/3 in/ The third book does not exist and we will never speak of it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Also, rape is not a plot point, or positive character trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Also, rape is not a plot point, or positive character trait. Absolutely not a positive character trait, but it certainly can be a plot point. Perhaps not a terribly comfortable one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 board-oriented reverse real person slash--very nice! how much is my royalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Absolutely not a positive character trait, but it certainly can be a plot point. Perhaps not a terribly comfortable one. Maybe the first time. Or even the second. WHen it happens every 30 pages or so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Maybe the first time. Or even the second. WHen it happens every 30 pages or so.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIgFbqRngjA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Your parents must be SO proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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