MikeMartell Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 These books so complicated :') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMartell Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 Really could use some help with this! I'm at a loss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Some people think that he wanted to use Dany and Viserys and the Dothraki to destabilize the 7K so then Aegon and the Golden Company could come in, beat them, and save the day. But this is not really certain and there are many different theories. Some people still think he's a Targ supporter and that he wanted Dany on the throne all along. Like I said, lots of opinions. But I think (I'm not sure) that the most popular opinion is that he's against the Targs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 They don't want Dany on the throne and they didn't try to put her on it. At least this is how I see it. She never really had a chance until she got dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr Patter Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Ask yourself when he ever actually tried to get Danaerys on the throne? He brokered a deal that would have given Viserys an army of Dothraki. Thinking back to the original Viserys, is he the sort of person that could have successfully restored the Targaryen dynasty? Admittedly, we don't know the exact details of the plan, but I'm pretty sure Viserys nor Danaerys were ever the end game, just ways to achieve an end. Regardless, this deal died with Khal Drogo, but Danaerys still has value. Either as a way to legitimize Aegon or because she owns three dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMartell Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 So why go through all the effort to hide them, feed them, shelter them, arrange the marraige with the dothraki if they were never going to invade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMartell Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 Really bothers me sometime, it seems like George can't make his mind up what happened and just makes it up as he goes with out thinking about the previous story leading up to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlan Marius Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Use Viserys as an evil tyrant for Aegon to overthrow. Blackfyre 4 lyfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 So why go through all the effort to hide them, feed them, shelter them, arrange the marraige with the dothraki if they were never going to invade?They could be useful tools. And it could be physiological. If people in Westeros are aware that there are Targaryen survivors in Essos it may seem less unbelievable that Aegon shows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMartell Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 I just hope George fills us all in when he's finished the books let us know what actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 So why go through all the effort to hide them, feed them, shelter them, arrange the marraige with the dothraki if they were never going to invade? Because they really wanted them to invade. That's why they married Dany off to Drogo. Their plan was: 1. When Drogo was ready to invade, start a civil war in the 7K 2. The Mad King's son and daughter would invade the war-torn 7K with an army of savages 3. Aegon, the son of the beloved Rhaegar, appears and beat the crazy Viserys, his sister and his savages. 4. Everyone cheers and accepts Aegon as their true king Also, I think IIIlyrio took Dany and Viserys into his home to hide them so other people like Doran couldn't contact them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Its like a shell game. Dany and Viserys are the public and visible Targaryens exiles. Having them around gives a focus to both Targ supporters to keep support alive and Targ enemies to focus any anti-targ efforts on. This allows Aegon the time and secrecy to grow and develop with no bother from Targ enemies. Its not a huge effort to keep Dany and Viserys alive and semi visible really. The proposed plan to have Viserys invade the seven kingdoms with the Dothraki, creat a total mess, then have Aegon come in to save the day seems like a clever double play - if Vserys can get the dothraki over, then great, the plan goes ahead. If not, then they've still been the public face allowing Aegon to grow safely.I'm not entirely sure if it really was a real plan or not, but it works both ways anyway. Robert and his council focus on Dany and Viserys and remain blissfully unaware of fAegon. And fAegon enters Westeros to clean up a huge mess, just as planned, its just not the mess they said they planned for. Dany waking the dragons changed everything though. All of a sudden she's the most important targ, but no longer under their control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMartell Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 Ah its starting to make a bit more sense now, thanks guys. So do you believe that Aegon is the true son of Rhaegar?I just miss Ned :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Old saying: "Always have reserves." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 So do you believe that Aegon is the true son of Rhaegar? Nope. Even without all the signs and some foreshadowing the whole baby switch is a bit far fetched for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMartell Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 I thought that. Varys is playing his own game (obviously), but to just get the person he wants on the throne. Same as everybody else doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Noone Sword Of The Day Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Really bothers me sometime, it seems like George can't make his mind up what happened and just makes it up as he goes with out thinking about the previous story leading up to this point. considering the amount of time it takes for him to write each book i reckon its probably the opposite, he probably over thinks everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Rogers Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I think he's a blackfyre at the very least, people don't just walk around with white hair and violet eyes and live unless you are dark star, who will kick anyone's ass that gets in his way but I think that has more to do with him hiding out in Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shireen Shireen Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 These books so complicated :') Amen Old saying: "Always have reserves." Absolutely. If Viserys became king those who helped him in exile would be well placed. Its like a shell game.... [snip] Well put. The Dothraki seem to be the burn and pillage sort so likely to put the Westerosi offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Illyrio received great gifts from Drogo for the arrangement of that marriage. They also thought Viserys and Dany will perish among the Dothraki who despise weakness. The assasination plan (and the Dothraki invasion in return) was always there. They never thought to give IT to Dany. But since the dragons are hatched, they are trying to marry Aegon to Dany which will provide Aegon undeniable proof of being a Targaryen and 3 dragons as a bonus. That plan also failed because they dont know Dany's character. Even Dany does not know herself. So the plan to take Dany as Aegon's aunt-wife to Westeros is slo9wly fading away. Aegon is surely mind-messed by Tyrion but he could never persuade the GC to start their campaign without Dany, if that did not suit what the big guys wish for. So there we are. Illyro and Varys never showed open hostility to Dany and because of that they have the potential to gain her trust. However, Tyrion is the only one who can decipher their endgame and guide Dany in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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