Dumbest Moments in ASoIaF

[rivergirl]

For me the dumbest (or to be more precise, most inexplicable and unconvincing) moment was when Dany got on top and suddenly they were in love. I'll believe the sex got much better for both of them, Doreah knew her shit and Dany was a pretty girl on a mission. But where the hell did this "moon of my life" stuff come from? Literally 24 hours earlier she had been crying into a pillow and wanting to kill herself while Drogo raped her.

And i don't think the dragon eggs had anything to do with the change in their relationship. Dany's attitude changed, sure, but wouldn't her strengthened resolve make her a little pissed off about the way he'd been treating her?

[Ramsay B.]

Tyrion being such a successfull warrior in his battles!

Yes, that was pretty ridiculous.

[rivergirl]

Oh! And Tyrion's somersaults and cartwheels throughout ADWD. Just… what?!

[Raksha the Demon]

Agree with #5 #3 & #1.

Ned in KL. He makes one dumb decision after the other.

Cat arresting Tyrion. For no good reason at all.

Cat believing Lysa. Again for no good reason at all.

Sansa don't escaping with Sandor.

The existence of Dany.

Rhaegar dissapearing with Lyanna without planning or without dispose his father first.

Sansa was not stupid in her decision to stay in King's Landing rather than flee with Sandor during the Battle of the Blackwater. The last time she had been outside the palace during a conflict (the riot), she had nearly been raped. Yes, Sandor had saved her; but he had not been drunk at the time. Prior to offering Sansa a ride north, Sandor had held a knife to her throat, was drunk, and wept after she sang to him. I think even a scared young girl might think that he was not the most reliable of escorts, particularly when they'd have had to make their way through soldiers of both sides.

But for Rhaegar's stupidity, there is less excuse; he being a grown man, not a preteen.

[Ned Snow]

...It was pretty dumb of Quentyn to try to tame dragons.

[Colonel Green]

Jaime has become one of ASOIAF's best characters, the whole "there's actually a totally sympathetic explanation for me killing Aerys that I just never told anybody about until now!" thing really strains credulity.

[Trigger Warning]

A trial by combat isn't that stupid by their standards, if you believe in gods that judge such things then the winner is innocent or your religion is wrong.

Also the undertones may simply be might is right.

[Lady Tanalyth]

I thought it was dumb and unconvincing that Cersei could go some twenty years without telling anyone about the prophecy and then suddenly reveals it to not one but two people she's just recently met. That never made any sense to me and I'm sure it's going to end up biting her in the ass.

[Colonel Green]

Trusting Sansa.

Sansa had never done anything but follow his instructions up until that point. She's the "good girl" who does what she's told.

Also regarding Sansa, I think her character arc in AGOT isn't handled optimally. The theory of it makes sense, and I've seen people give it a lot of metaphorical/metatextual readings (romanticism, divine right, etc.), but on a psychological level it never quite seems plausible to me. The idea is basically that Sansa is dazzled by her fairy tale future and mistakes Cersei and Joffrey for wonderful people. The problem with the execution is that Cersei, in particular, is so obviously a cartoonish supervillain that Sansa's beliefs never seem like a mistake somebody could actually make.

With Joffrey, at least, there's some effort in the post-Kingsroad period to show him making nice with Sansa and giving her the belief things might work out, but there's never any attempt to explain why she still thinks Cersei is a nice lady, and the fact that she still thinks that just runs up against a plausibility wall to me. I think Sansa, in general, is the series' most believable child POV character over the course of the series, in terms of maturation, her abilities, etc.; but the Kingsroad incident could basically be summarized as:

Cersei: We must execute Arya's wolf for attacking Joffrey!

Ned: We can't find Arya's wolf.

Cersei: Then we shall execute Sansa's wolf instead for no reason! Mwahahahaha!"

I don't know any child that would come out of that thinking Cersei was anything other than the worst person in the world. That Sansa also blames Arya and Ned makes complete sense to me, but if she was going to keep trusting Cersei after this point, we really needed to see Cersei really working on winning Sansa over, but that never happens.

[Trigger Warning]

I thought it was dumb and unconvincing that Cersei could go some twenty years without telling anyone about the prophecy and then suddenly reveals it to not one but two people she's just recently met. That never made any sense to me and I'm sure it's going to end up biting her in the ass.

It could be that she feels it drawing near with all the instability in the Seven Kingdoms and everything that has happened since Robert's death.

Mainly Tyrion who she thinks is the Valonqar killing Tywin and as far as she's concerned killing Joffrey.

[Miley Targaryen]

Agree with #5 #3 & #1.

Ned in KL. He makes one dumb decision after the other.

Cat arresting Tyrion. For no good reason at all.

Cat believing Lysa. Again for no good reason at all.

Sansa don't escaping with Sandor.

The existence of Dany.

Rhaegar dissapearing with Lyanna without planning or without dispose his father first.

I think you've insulted the author by saying the existence of a character is dumb, meaning the author has no good reason to put the character there?

[BitsOfBrains]

Robb marrying Jeyne Westerling. How are you honorable enough to marry a girl you de-flowered but not honorable to hold a marriage vow?

Yeah that whole, "honor" thing was just a cop out if you ask me. I think old lord Walder had the right of it, he just fell for a nice pair of "assets".

I put part of it on Cat though.

She made it sound like all of old Lord Walders girls were ugly or 5s at best.

Gatehouse Ami was supposed to be a ripper (but off the table at the time), Roslin was pretty, I am sure there were a couple other girls worth a tumble.

Besides, Jeyne was never described as particularly attractive. I get the impression she was like a soft 7.

[Minsc]

Yeah that whole, "honor" thing was just a cop out if you ask me. I think old lord Walder had the right of it, he just fell for a nice pair of "assets".

I put part of it on Cat though.

She made it sound like all of old Lord Walders girls were ugly or 5s at best.

Gatehouse Ami was supposed to be a ripper (but off the table at the time), Roslin was pretty, I am sure there were a couple other girls worth a tumble.

Besides, Jeyne was never described as particularly attractive. I get the impression she was like a soft 7.

Are we really blaming Catelyn for Robb's decision to marry Jeyne because she didn't talk up Walder's daughters?

[Ramsay's Third Nipple]

"Men call me darkstar and I am of the night."

Book, meet window. That line would have been delivered better if he hissed at the end of it. At least we'd know for certain he was a dumbass.

[Arya kiddin']

Yeah that whole, "honor" thing was just a cop out if you ask me. I think old lord Walder had the right of it, he just fell for a nice pair of "assets".

I put part of it on Cat though.

She made it sound like all of old Lord Walders girls were ugly or 5s at best.

Gatehouse Ami was supposed to be a ripper (but off the table at the time), Roslin was pretty, I am sure there were a couple other girls worth a tumble.

Besides, Jeyne was never described as particularly attractive. I get the impression she was like a soft 7.

Are we really blaming Catelyn for Robb's decision to marry Jeyne because she didn't talk up Walder's daughters?

Exactly. New and totally non-sensical arguments against Cat just keep popping up. These bits of brains are really making no sense. At least you should get your facts straight. There is no mention of Frey girls' looks in the books, it happens in the show only, which is not canon. This is how the dialogue goes in the books.

"And you are to wed one of his daughters, once the fighting is done," she finished. "His lordship has graciously consented to allow you to choose whichever girl you prefer. He has a number he thinks might be suitable."

To his credit, Robb did not flinch. "I see."

"Do you consent?"

"Can I refuse?"

"Not if you wish to cross."

"I consent," Robb said solemnly. He had never seemed more manly to her than he did in that moment. Boys might play with swords, but it took a lord to make a marriage pact, knowing what it meant.

Nowhere are looks brought in the whole dialogue.

[Brienne for Queen]

Quentyn Martell attempting to steal a dragon. Worse, Quentyn Martell continuing with said attempt after they got the door open.

This.

Or maybe I'm just too happy to read a comment that doesn't contain the words Cat, Cersei or Dani.

Get over it everyone.

I'm sure a lot of other characters did dumb stuff too, but when Quentyn said he was going to steal a dragon I could only think.... oh hyou poor, dumb child. Wish he'd succeeded, but....

[Whitering]

I thought it was dumb and unconvincing that Cersei could go some twenty years without telling anyone about the prophecy and then suddenly reveals it to not one but two people she's just recently met. That never made any sense to me and I'm sure it's going to end up biting her in the ass.

She had also not been a drunken lout and may have thought it was total shit until Joff died. Now, Cersei is an idiot, but this isn't so far fetched. It was associated with a pretty bad memory of a childhood friend (as much as Cersei has friends) dying. In any case, she is stupid.

[Lady Tanalyth]

It could be that she feels it drawing near with all the instability in the Seven Kingdoms and everything that has happened since Robert's death.

She had also not been a drunken lout and may have thought it was total shit until Joff died. Now, Cersei is an idiot, but this isn't so far fetched. It was associated with a pretty bad memory of a childhood friend (as much as Cersei has friends) dying. In any case, she is stupid.

I can definitely see her thinking about it more now that Joffrey is dead and I agree that the drinking isn't helping, those points are fair enough. But why tell a woman who is still very much a part of Margaery's circle? She has to know that the spying shit can work both ways and that Taena might not necessarily remain loyal. Also, why give even more power to the man who already knows too many of her secrets? You'd think that if she were to crack and tell anyone because she was feeling overwhelmed with the reality of Joffrey's death that it would have been to Jaime before their falling out. She was so desperate to get him to accept the position of Hand she could have at least used this to attempt to get him to feel sympathy for her even though it might not have worked. Either that or I feel like she'd be too paranoid to speak about the prophecy and in a sense give it life by allowing another person to know about it. When she was keeping it to herself she was almost able to pretend that it was a bad dream that hadn't really happened. Telling other people about it was like acknowledging that she believes it's all going to come to pass and that seems surprisingly defeatist for someone as hard-headed as she is.

[Eira Seren]

Aerion Brightflame drinking wildfyre to transform into a dragon. Granted, he appeared to be insane.