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  2. OK, I get that you see things that you think are important and that you think need to be addressed. I think we all look at aspects of ASoIaF like that sometimes. My point is that Martin may not agree with any of our opinions, interpretations, etc. It's his story. We all may see what we think are "repeated and provocative" details...but did Martin intend them to be? In the case of Joffery's murder, it doesn't seem like it to me, since we have from his own lips what he thinks "careful readers" will conclude about it. Martin believes he put the details in the story that "careful readers" need to figure out what he wants them to and, most importantly, make readers wrestle with the moral dilemma of either cheering for a murderer or lamenting the death of a very unlikable character (or something along those lines). That was his intent. And, for the record, I don't want to end the discussion. I just don't believe there's anything more to know about the who, what, when, where, how and why of Joffery's murder. Martin has given us all that (and more besides). But notice I've avoided saying "PW" in this post and instead have said "Joffery's murder". That's because I'm certainly open to the possibility that more could have been going on or was being hinted at during Martin's writing of the wedding reception than Joff's murder. With that being said, do you have any theories on just what the things you see as "repeated and provocative" details may mean in this case?
  3. Oh dear.
  4. I've set foot down the longest road, entering the slog of slogs. Re-reading The Prince of Nothing trilogy. I think I made it mostly through The Judging Eye before I was overcome with madness. Now that the second series is finished, I've been making excuses to read other things for long enough. I've notified my next-of-kin to check on my sanity and general whereabouts.
  5. Yeah, I may sound like a Bakker hater but I honestly liked them all up til TUC. Nothing really pisses me off more then when it turns out all the hints and uh, layers of revelation, you've been pouring over were just the author making shit up on the spot. There's a series the ended similarly but I can't make my brain think of it right now.
  6. Varys seems like the likeliest bet to me. Reznak is immediately though of by Dany, which kind of means it can't be him in my mind (or else why be vague about it at all). The ship is subtle enough to be what she meant, but it feels like a deliberate red herring put in. Especially when you consider that the ship was wrecked, Tyrion and Moqorro are already mentioned in the previous remarks, and Dany will already be wary of Jorah. That just leaves Penny, but there's no way that Dany could ever connect Penny to the "perfumed seneschal" unless the name of the ship they traveled on specifically comes up (which seems unlikely). Furthermore, it seems to me that Quaithe is simply using a glass candle to observe distant events rather than seeing the future (or else she would know that the "griffin" and "mummer's dragon" would never even make it to Dany. Since none of the characters who travel on the ship were even on the Stinky Steward yet, Varys seems like a much safer bet. He's someone who will probably present himself as a friend to Dany (given that he's been grooming her "nephew" for 16 years), but is secretly a Blackfyre supporter who wants to see her out of the way.
  7. Agreed x2, wow, is the new series awful. To quote the great film "The Girl Next Door" - "I could make a better film with my MOM". WTH are they thinking, how does garbage such as this get through test audiences/etc? Stargate has such potential for reboot, as much, perhaps even more than Trek in some ways, yet this is what they give us? Very disappointed.
  8. Duke held Boeheim to 16 at half and I thought that was remarkable, but 7!?!? Oregon and Arizona are in an incredible game with 4 minutes to go here... ETA: I know y'all are asleep, but we're in OT here.
  9. I wish that I could just trash this statement. I wish...
  10. I've left this on the back burner because I wasn't sure what if any relevance it might have, but I noticed a while ago that many of our protagonists have each in turn been profoundly affected by an encounter with characters who very much fit these sorts of archetypes. The interactions were almost always of the kind that turned our protagonists' paths much more firmly towards their "destinies." Jon--Quorin-the Ranger/Fighter. Jon's career in the Night's Watch, and his role in the big picture, turned on Quorin's inclusion in his little fellowship. I don't believe it was a chance thing, or something Quorin did on a whim, but that is probably another story. Dany--Quaithe-the Enchantress? (Not sure about all those magical sub-classes). She played a pivotal role during Dany's "wandering in the desert" face. Tyrion--Moqorro--the Cleric. It was the availability of Moqorro's chartered ship that turned Tyrion's fate on a dime, but perhaps even moreso, the way he tells Tyrion of his place in it all may have even greater significance, as might events yet to play out in Mereen. Arya--Jaquen--the Assassin. Pretty clear the role he's played in Arya's journey. Jaimie/Cersei--Qyburn--the Necromancer. Maybe a bit murky, but his role with Jaime's sword hand, which seems to be a major turning point, as well as how he influences Cersei...still working on that. As you might note, all those archetypal characters have something in common--the letter Q. Coincidence probably, but I wouldn't put it past Martin. Having said that, I haven't unearthed any other Q characters that fit the bill, particularly in Bran's case. Unless Coldhands is Qorgyle...
  11. ooooh, very interesting. I like it.
  12. I had to do a double take on that halftime score. Seven points in a half. Seven. I’ve seen WVU lay their fair share of eggs in my day, but wow. Lol. Hard to not soak up the schadenfreude.
  13. Fuck he’s good...
  14. Today
  15. I don't think book readers who watch the show are disappointed because they have expectations that are too high to ever be met. Most of the comments on this thread have acknowledged that the first four seasons were masterfully adapted, and have merely commented on what has changed in quality. No one is saying the show needs to be exactly like the books or their vision of the books. I think it's okay for fans to expect the story they invest in to maintain a certain quality and make sense. Unfortunately so many things in the last season did not. At the end of the day, I feel like this is due to the show outpacing the books, as many have said. D&D's job went from adapting an incredible story to having to complete it themselves. They are sprinting to the finish, and though I think the product would be better if they slowed down a little, I understand why certain choices are being made. However, as others have said, so much of what happened last season was just bad writing. The fact that the main characters were sailing/flying/riding all over the continent of Westeros before the WW could make it a few miles from Hardhome to the Wall is ridiculous. I remember reading the plot leak that came out a year before the season aired and I honestly laughed because I thought it had to be fake, there was no way, it just made no sense. And yet it was true. The more I think about this season the more disappointed I get. I can't help but regard pretty much everything after season 4 as beautifully rendered fan fiction. I honestly don't know if I'll even really care about the final season, but we'll see. To repeat, it isn't that they've strayed in content that bothers me, but that they have severely degraded in quality. If the show had continued to do its own thing and do it well, I wouldn't be disappointed. Different media calls for different choices. Not everything that works in a book will work in a show. But whatever version of the story they choose to present, it has to at least be logical. And the last season was not.
  16. I agree with this reading of Vinge's work. He is working from the same sort of idea as William Gibson, whose famous quote on NPR was, "The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed." [Listen here:] The Deepness in the Sky and Fire Upon the Deep works both appear to show the clash of civilizations that are on different points of the timeline around the Singularity. Sometimes the clash is between pre- and post-singularity societies, sometimes it is between mid-singularity and before/beyond-singularity societies. Even his Realtime books have a similar juxtaposition of pre- and post- societies as a result of the function of the bobbles, just written from a 1980s view into the future. So does Tatja Grimm's World in a pre-steam-punk space-opera sort of way that reminds me a lot of something Jack Vance and GRRM might have written if this was a subject that interested them.
  17. I'm about halfway through the thread but I couldn't wait for this part. On my current reread, just a couple days ago actually, I noticed that Cat is actually first "introduced" to Brienne by a knight whose sigil seems to be bluejays. They don't sing either!
  18. Rain again. So weird. Glad you're doing better, QoP. Forgot to say that before.
  19. That's okay. We're not going anywhere.
  20. There's been a Benjen sighting in California. He was seen on a moped, weaving in and out of traffic in Pasadena.
  21. As you have named it, the Conqueror's Blade. I think it likely that he was either its first wielder or the first to use to blood it in conquest and seal it in fire on his funeral pyre. The name pairs too well with Balerion's scales and flames. Semi-related thought- does the Iron Throne "drink" blood? Maybe it has absorbed Maegor's soul energy?
  22. I despise the way NBC (i.e. the American channel with rights to broadcast this Olympics) is covering this. Instead of showing the live hockey gold medal game, they're showing some race that happened yesterday and even then they're skipping parts of it. Grrr...
  23. After leaving Harrenhal but before returning to rescue Brienne he had a dream. We know this was inspired by Bloodraven since Jaime rested his head on a weirwood stump. He is forced down into a cave by hooded figures brandishing spears. (Is this a foreshadowing of Jaime's coming encounter with Catelyn?) He is shoved into a pit with Brienne, who fears a bear. (This seems to be an obvious foreshadowing of Jaime's rescuing the maiden not so fair later in the chapter.) Tywin, Cersei, and Joffrey then appear. This predates the Red Wedding so Tywin and Joffrey are still alive at this point, but he and Joffrey will soon die, suffering deaths for which Jaime must later feel some blame. (So this might foreshadow Cersei's death as well. He released Tyrion, who killed Tywin, and he was the Lord Commander of Joffrey's Kingsguard but unable to protect him. And of course Jaime is the leading candidate to be Cersei's valonqar.) The trio departs but not before Tywin gives Jaime a sword. Keep in mind that the sword Tywin actually gives to Jaime is one of two from Ice and Jaime gives his sword, in turn, to Brienne. In the dream Brienne gets a sword like Jaime's and they both burn--silvery blue, like ice, real ice, not the sword of course, but the allusion is there. Then Bloodraven, who sided with the red dragon against the brother he loved, sent Jaime's fallen Kingsguard brothers to hammer home Jaime's crime when he betrayed Aerys, notwithstanding Jaime's defense that Aerys planned to burn King's Landing. Rhaegar reminded him that he left his wife and children in Jaime's hands. Bloodraven seems to be preparing Jaime to raise up Jon, Rhaegar's heir, as king. Jaime I, Feast Jaime identifies with the Warrior... Jaime II, Feast And the Warrior protects children... Samwell II, Storm Jaime wants to make good on his failed duty to protect Rhaegar's children... Jaime I, Dance Jaime doesn't believe that Rhaegar has any living children. But the George strongly hinted that Jamie will be a kingmaker... Jaime II, Feast But perhaps Jaime will believe Aegon's claim? Here is a telling quote from Barristan on his path to redemption after taking Robert's pardon... Daenerys II, Dance And here's Jaime telling Lancel what he thought of Robert... Jaime IV, Feast On the road with Illyrio, Tyrion describes a dream... Tyrion II, Dance If Jaime supports Aegon, believing him to be Rhaegar's son, against Daenerys, Tyrion's dream could very well foreshadow the Kingslayer's fate, and we could see a reckoning between Barristan and the kingslayer. But I tend to think that Aegon will allow Jaime to take the black after Jaime helps him to take the throne, and ironically, Jaime will end up serving the presumed son of Eddard Stark and the actual son of Rhaegar Targaryen. Finally, note that Jaime observes that Brienne could be a "beauty" in a certain light. Perhaps more beautiful than Cersei? I think so.
  24. I find it highly unlikely that he will be named Aegon in the books, for reasons others have pointed out. I think the show is combining Jon's character with the fAegon to simplify things.
  25. Yes
  26. Just think, this time next year we could all be reading about how some teacher in South Kansabama popped one of their students for pulling a suspicious looking stapler out of a backpack.
  27. I do not subscribe to the Jojen paste. It seems needlessly cruel, especially with an army of the dead approaching the wall and everything that the kids and hodor had to do on their journey to get to the cave
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