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LOL - Something along those lines. Throat singing in the Old Tongue maybe... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throat_singing

That's really interesting. I don't imagine the COTF belting out Walking on Sunshine. Their songs might be more in tune with the sounds of nature; waves or vibrations that can be manipulated or amplified. I wonder if Hodor hears the song: There are 5 more examples of Hodor humming. He has been altered by future Bran.

A bit more about Maori songlines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songline I can see the weirnet functioning as a form of songline in GRRM's world.

I think it's generally accepted that the Wall will fall in some fashion or other. It may even be one of those things revealed to D&D without saying anything about how GRRM intends that to happen. As you pointed out, it is presented as a known historical event. It just won't be the same as the show. So far the only cross-over canon that makes any sense to me is Aegon's prophecy (or dream) of ice and fire. I don't think that's inconsistent with the books.

I had some discussion with JNR on this subject. I'll pass this on to you: Re the coloring book "revelation," if you click through the link in theblog, you get this:https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/731931/house-of-the-dragon-the-official-coloring-book-by-random-house-worlds/And you can see it says "Game of Thrones -- House of the Dragon" in theHBO marketing font.So this HBO-licensed book, and the blog remark about the fall of theWall, are only about Show Targs living in Show World.And on the show, it's true the Wall fell when it was blasted by awighted dragon ridden by the Night King.However, the HBO coloring book and blog entry about it have nothing todo with Book World.In Book World, the Wall has not fallen, there is nobody leading thePopsicles at all, Night's King was a mythical human being (not aPopsicle), Sansa doesn't marry and is not raped by Ramsay, Theon'ssister is not named Yara, Young Griff does exist, Rickon hasn't beenkilled by an arrow, all of Dany's dragons are alive and well and havenever been to Westeros, Jon's true parents are not revealed as or likelyto be Rhaegar and Lyanna, Jon and Dany have never even met, etc. I also noticed the text on the Penguin site is pretty blunt:"Step back into Westeros with this brand new coloring book featuringover 75 illustrations of your favorite scenes, characters, and showlogos from the hit series House of the Dragon."So it's definitely limited to Show World, and therefore so is the blogcomment about it.

I really like the idea that Theon will become Bran's prophet when he is taken before the weirwood grove for judgement an execution. I don't remember who came up with it - somebody here. Kudos. It's not really charming but it has a lot of interesting potential plot development attached to it. It would be quite a twist and I think Theon is too good of a character to waste.

I'm thinking in Bran's case, it is to make a connection between Mormont's raven, the three-eyed crow and Bloodraven. So if you believe that Bloodraven is the 3EC; it's not a stretch to surmise that he is keeping tabs on Mormont and the Night Watch as that strange bird. So then, why is Bloodraven drawing attention to Ben Jen? What results is the great ranging in search of Benjen and significantly, finding the horn filled with obsidian, wrapped up in a ranger's cloak. I think Benjen is too useful to just disappear in the woods.

Great OP. I enjoyed reading it. I'd add one more possibility - agent for Bloodraven. In other words, he has been in contact with BR and is acting on his behalf. In which case, I would place him south of the Wall. This is something of a puzzle to me as well. It reminds me of Bran: A Clash of Kings - Bran II

Nor do I. What I glean from it is that the dreamtime is related to creation myths and interconnectivity with the natural world. Also with legendary heroes. Bran and Bloodraven aren't the only greenseers. There are cotf connected to the weirnet. What are they doing? If they are the dreamers calling Bloodraven; then they are connected or networked to each other. Given that 1 in 10,000 skinchangers can be greenseers, can they combine their powers and abilities into songlines (another dreamtime concept)? Was the great lore that built the Wall a dreaming of a multitude of powerful greenseers? And do they now maintain the Walls and the seasons?

I was just joking.

I'd like to bring up this concept of dreaming or the dreamtime relating to Maori legends. Here's some blurbs from wikipedia. Does any of this sound familiar? Isn't this what Leaf says to Bran about the CotF -that they go into the earth, the stones and the trees. Varamyr experiences this on his true death before he starts his second life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dreaming At one point, Bloodraven tells Bran that the dreamers are calling him. I wonder if GRRM is applying a form of the dreaming to the Cotf and greenseers. In the everywhen of a greenseers extistance; was the false spring at Harrenhall a dream of spring?

I wouldn't want to shake hands with the undead. You might come away with more fingers than you started out with. Martin said very early on that the Others were living, a form of life. He described them as beautiful. That does not fit with the tv shows treatment of them. Because they certainly weren't beautiful. It's not really clear what they look like from the prologue and if they would be beautiful without the horror attached to them. Mel tells us that they are made of snow and cold and ice. So then a crystalline life form that reflects its surroundings? Rather than a glamour which has been suggested before? They have a soul of ice, a term Mel uses to describe the Great Other. Thay are individuals who communicate with voices that sound like ice cracking. They can skinchange or extend their souls to animate the undead wights.

Yes, GRRM doesn't really say what he has been doing per se. He's seems more newsy these days. Wow, Feather... you remember things I said, that I barely remember. I think the basic idea was the Wall acted like a dam restricting and containing the flow of cold magic (known as winter), during the summer and releasing it in the winter. Winters and summers seem to be managed magically. Perhaps the seasons are being dreamed by greenseers aka giants in the earth. The Wall also has the function of keeping the servants of the cold from passing. I think this is something separate from the seasons. The Wall may also be a source or reservoir of magic as Melisandre tells Jon. Apparently, he and presumably, she can use it. If true, that implies that others or Others can use it for their purposes. I would guess that the Horn of Winter is tied to or uses the magic of the Wall in some way. We know it was blown once before and the Wall and wards still stand. So the idea that the Wall has fallen is open to interpretation.

I keep poking around looking for some news or an update. Is no news, good news? If he was close, would he say anything about it, or keep it to himself? There would be an awful frenzy and he'd get no peace.

The problem seems to be too many notes.