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  2. And that's what some of us have been saying for years (that the inflated ego and seeds of tyranny have always been there), but I agree: the show has not done a great job of showing it, even the books mostly show things from Dany's own (naturally biased) point of view, making it harder to see her for what she is early on.
  3. Kyll.Ing.

    Independent North

    Unlike the other kingdoms, the North is both very remote and it had very little history with any of its neighbours. Getting to The Neck in the first place is straying outside the sphere of civilization, and from there you're barely halfway to Winterfell from King's Landing. The North was less involved in the inter-kingdom wars than the others were, less integrated with the central power in King's Landing, and presumably it didn't trade as much with the others either. It being independent wouldn't change much. As for why the others would not declare independence as well, I guess it's because they saw the benefits of centralized rule to a much greater degree. There would be fewer wars between the small kingdoms, it would be easier to trade and travel in the more densely populated parts of the country, and should another queen come across the sea with funny ideas, they could stand together and whoop her behind before she torches another city. I presume that Dorne and the Iron Island could get ideas of independence as well, being similarly isolated as the North, but Dorne was in no position to negotiate at this particular meeting, and Yara remembers how her father's rebellions went. Maybe the issue could be raised the next time the council gathers to elect a king, but for now neither of them could press the issue.
  4. T and A

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    "How will it all end? I hear people asking. The same ending as the show? Different? Well… yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes." - George RR Martin
  5. Daenerys needed to cross an unforgiveable moral threshold long before we reached the burning of Kings Landing to make her behaviour seem both credible and evil, but she didn't. So, we got a cheap shock instead.
  6. Brad Stark

    Heresy 221 and the Children of Winterfell

    If there is going to be a King is a big if. The show did away with the iron throne and King Bran the Broken could very well be D&D's Hollywood happily ever after. If there is a King, the Kingsguard will be chosen from the survivors, which might not leave many people to choose from.
  7. Let's see. We'll start at 5 out of 10 and go from there. Inexplicable numbers of Unsullied and Dothraki: -1 Tyrion's reaction to his dead siblings, tells Dany her shit stinks: +1 Jon is as thickheaded as ever, but Tyrion finally shows there's a brain in that head of his: it's a wash, +/- 0 "Yi wil alwis bi mi kwiin!" Shink! murglblurghldurghl +3 (fairly weak, but hey Dany dies, and at Jon's hand to boot, can't complain) Drogon turns into SuperSmartDragon.png and melts the throne: -1 fanfic writers everywhere have multiple shittily written orgasms as Drogon flies off with Danys dead body: -2 Fast-forward to a council meeting, didn't feel well explained that this long had gone by but we're used to it, so: 0 Grey Worm gets to say anything instead of getting his head cut off: -½ (yeah yeah they're holding Jon hostage, so only minus half a point) Edmure being Edmure: +½ (just can't hate the guy) Tyrion finally being Tyrion again: +1 King Bran the Broken (say it three times in a mirror and he'll run you over in his wheelchair): +1 A Free North: 0 (Felt a little too easy/contrived even if it's perhaps well-deserved). Captain Arya: +1 (what the fuck else was she ever going to do that makes her remotely happy?) Jon the Wildling: +1 (I don't get why people are saying he "deserved better", he never wanted to be King, or Lord Commander, or any of that). And who's going to stop him going to Winterfell to visit, should he feel like it? Grey fuckin' Worm? Nah, he's off catching butterflies or something. Final Result: 9/10. Okay. Well, I wasn't unhappy with it, considering it was the final episode.
  8. But the way I see it, the descent into a kind of righteous tyranny started in season 1. Dany has always been comfortable with violence and accepting of the deaths of innocent people in order to further her goal. In season 1 she was happy enough to go along with the Dothraki sacking cities and slaughtering innocent Lhazareen so that it furthered her goal of taking the Iron Throne. She also knew that the Dothraki would do to Westeros if they invaded under Drogo. She threatened Qarth in season 2, promising to rain fire on the city if it did not give aid to her people. She killed slavers and nobles in Astapor and Meereen. She had to be talked off the ledge when she returned to Meereen as her instinct was to torch her enemies and probably half the city in the process - it was only thanks to Tyrion that she didn't. Right through the series we've been shown Dany's penchant for violence and destruction in pursuit of her goal. As Tyrion pointed out (and that was maybe unnecessary), we were encouraged to cheer because some of the people were "bad" and we were also shown that Dany had some noble goals like ending slavery. I think a lot of Dany's negative character traits and actions were overlooked in a desire to see her as a classic fantasy hero and also because, you know, dragons are cool. The rapidity of the decline from queen with tendency towards unrestrained violence to mass murderer of innocents was a bit much, but the seeds were sown long before this season, most of us just weren't looking for them. A lot would look different with a start-to-finish re-watch of the series.
  9. I've just finished a lengthy musing on the series as a whole. In summary, the problems with the Season: Misunderstanding of themes Inconsistent characterisation Action with no build-up Build-up with no pay-off Inconsistent setting So yeah... I think you could put the problems down to the Execution, rather than the Story. Problem is, the Story by the finale became so incoherent, it was unclear which was which.
  10. Not a kneeler

    Thank You George

    Me, too. Even pared down for television it was quite a story. Glad I got to see it in my lifetime.
  11. ummester

    Bran book vs show

    In the books he eats Jojen to get the greenseer skill - in the show he just has it. In the books he has a bit of an evil manipulative side, I found - where in the show he is just a robot. I do not think it is impossible that he manipulates events in the book and scores a Kingship out of it - or that the Children use him to get the throne of men under their control - and that is like their finally victory over mankind for invading Westeros. Actually, thinking on it, it kind of makes sense. In the books bran will probaly take out the others and be labelled as the hero of the remaining kingdoms and crowned - all because the CotF manipulated him into that position.
  12. Well, Bran wasn't the sole one who knew. Eventually Sam would have told Jon. So, that conflict would always arise at some point, but by then Jon might be married to her or she'd be preggers. Plenty viewers presumed would make these things help cover up the issues, but Jon would be upset with Bran not telling him sooner to prevent him from being married to his aunt, or Dany would feel tricked or something. So, the outcome would drive a wedge anyway, except Dany would have far more consolidated power already, beyond her Unsullied and Dothraki, and an armada-less Yara. Sure, Ned preserved the secret: while Jon was a kid and Robert's dynasty seemed a sure thing and benevolent. Ned would have told Jon, the moment another Targ claimaint arrived in Westeros and Stannis was dead. Hell, Ned probably intended to inform Jon of his parentage as soon as he arrived at the Wall, if he had lived to get there. And if Bran can see in the future that Dany will become a destructive tyrant, he has plenty reason to tell Jon. A lot of Dany's issues may have been aggrevated because of her knowing of Jon's heritage, but they were there nevertheless and losses could have always pushed Dany to do what she did. She already saw herself as an enlightened tyrant anyway. Jon would have been devestated by that. But yes, you're right, if he had not know, he might have been so attached to her by then, he'd do whatever she wanted and excuse it, and be just like a Jaime to Dany. Awful.
  13. Jon was dumber, Danny pissed, Bran high most of the time and Drogon should have killed Jon.
  14. Bran sits back and wonders, Where did it all go wrong? Why so many Script blunders, In this fiery, Icy song? So he wargs back in time, Determined to find the reason. To the very scene of the crime, The writing of the eighth season. It’s an evening with David and Dan, lounging by the fire with wine. They are passionate with the plan, riffing on story design. “So, Tyrion’s head, eaten by undead Rickon...... it’s Red Wedding Mark 2!” “A vision for viewers to get sick on, Damn! It’s what Martin would do” “God of Crypts and Whine!! Jesus, I can see the meme” Their intelligent grins shine, As they’re warming to the theme. Bran is surprised and impressed, “More of that story!” He blurts. But they drop to the floor distressed! Writhing with epileptic jerks! You can see their brains have shutdown, from the script our writers retreated. Dribbling with confused frown, The phrase continually repeated: “More of that story!” “More of that story!” “Mo da story!” “Mo da story!” “Muuu stuury!” “Muuu stuury” “Must Hurry” “Must Hurry” So if for a better series you yearn, The culprits ain’t David and Dan. From Hodor he did not learn, So blame that interfering twat Bran!
  15. What about the scenario in which he manipulated events to put himself there? Because he said basically nothing all season it made his character so ambiguous he could have been up to anything hanging out in his chair.
  16. Staenerys Stargaryen

    Killing Bronn

    Haha D and D didn't bother to answer those questions. Truly why would any of the 6 kingdoms go along with Tyrion picking Bran as king in the first place... The show ran out of names to give a lot of places rulers so I'm fine with Bronn getting highgarden. Who rules Dorne? Was that Harry the Heir or Sweet Robyn with Royce? They honored Dany on Gendry? They didn't have anyone from the rock? They really hate Edmure to bring him back and take a dump on him. The meeting of all the high lords of Westeros felt weak to me. Because you are pretty much only connected to the Starks and tyrion so they win the game of thrones. But the pack was supposed to be stronger together so what is the awesome finale. Every stark that makes it is separated in the end... They hit Bittersweet for me. I guess that was what They were going for lol
  17. ummester

    Arya the Explorer

    Arya in the show is the next most nonsensical character after the Nights King - getting command of a Stark boat with a bunch of dudes who probably thought the sun shined out of her little pointy dagger didn't seem an impossible resolution considering much of her tale.
  18. Partially yeah, but regardless there's no scenario in which I can accept Bran becoming king in the end, GRRM or not.
  19. I'm so conflicted about that shot. It's an amazing shot and very effective, but it's also rather on-the-nose devil imagery - I felt I was being beaten round the face with "Ooooo, Dany bad" shots.
  20. Bran sits back and wonders, Where did it all go wrong? Why so many Script blunders, In this fiery, Icy song? So he wargs back in time, Determined to find the reason. To the very scene of the crime, The writing of the eighth season. It’s an evening with David and Dan, lounging by the fire with wine. They are passionate with the plan, riffing on story design. “So, Tyrion’s head, eaten by undead Rickon...... it’s Red Wedding Mark 2!” “A vision for viewers to get sick on, Damn! It’s what Martin would do” “God of Crypts and Whine!! Jesus, I can see the meme” Their intelligent grins shine, As they’re warming to the theme. Bran is surprised and impressed, “More of that story!” He blurts. But they drop to the floor distressed! Writhing with epileptic jerks! You can see their brains have shutdown, from the script our writers retreated. Dribbling with confused frown, The phrase continually repeated: “More of that story!” “More of that story!” “Mo da story!” “Mo da story!” “Muuu stuury!” “Muuu stuury” “Must Hurry” “Must Hurry” So if for a better series you yearn, The culprits ain’t David and Dan. From Hodor he did not learn, So blame that interfering twat Bran!
  21. That was very good, and quite ranty. This bit here is great: I'll be honest: I laughed when Bran was elected king. Then I laughed as fucking Jon was sentenced back to the wall. I laughed again when, in a weird moment of meta, self-aware comedy, Jon asked why they even have the Night's Watch anymore. Good point! Why? I laughed when Sansa, for no clear reason, wanted the North to be separateeven though her brother is king. I laughed as they set up their new government. I laughed thinking about how this is just as corruptible and shitty as their previous government or any other government could be. I laughed when it became clear that Tyrion appears to be the real leader of the Seven Kingdoms (six?) while Bran continued to do whatever the hell it is Bran does. I laughed that none of the prophecies mattered. I laughed that none of the character arcs mattered. I laughed that no one bothered to explain why Bran had fought the Night King so many times before. I laughed that the Children of the Forest just ceased to be. I laughed that Arya never used her Faceless powers (you know, actually taking someone's face) this season after she spent what felt like a billion years learning them. I laughed that the kid who breastfed until he was, like, 12 years old is still alive and looks pretty damn good.
  22. Dragons dance with Wolves

    Jon's first chapter

    Was anyone else disappointed about how big Jon’s identity reveal was built up end of Season 7 and it’s importance in Season 8? It’s a huge tension point for Jon and Dany that actually should have been a point of relief. Jon’s actually legit and has true blood family on his Targ side. When Sam tells Bran what he found, then they spill the beans to Jon, Jon to Dany, Jon to his sisters (cousins) and then Sansa to Tyrion/Tyrion to Varys.. the tension builds up so dramatically where you feel like Westeros will finally find out who Jon really is, only for Varys’ letters to never leave Dragonstone? It just seemed like a huge letdown in the plot. Jon has been so upset by the thought of his mother abandoning him and he finds out she not only didn’t abandon him, but he’s much more important than “some bastard” — something his peers could appreciate. It makes me think Sansa didn’t really want Jon on the throne. If she did, she would have told more people than Tyrion to have them back him specifically. The word just never really “got out” to the mass of Lords.
  23. Mentat

    UK Politics: Awaiting MV3

    Surely we can agree with the sentiment that Nigel Farage is a tool that deserves to be pelted with milkshakes (and/or rancid vegetables) while also agreeing that, since we live in a democracy, people who pelt others with milkshakes (however deserving) should probably face some sort of legal consequences proportionate to the offence if said others decide to press charges (I think a fine and the cost of dry-cleaning his suit sounds perfectly fair, but whatever).
  24. Ben Adkins

    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    Bran sits back and wonders, Where did it all go wrong? Why so many Script blunders, In this fiery, Icy song? So he wargs back in time, Determined to find the reason. To the very scene of the crime, The writing of the eighth season. It’s an evening with David and Dan, lounging by the fire with wine. They are passionate with the plan, riffing on story design. “So, Tyrion’s head, eaten by undead Rickon...... it’s Red Wedding Mark 2!” “A vision for viewers to get sick on, Damn! It’s what Martin would do” “God of Crypts and Whine!! Jesus, I can see the meme” Their intelligent grins shine, As they’re warming to the theme. Bran is surprised and impressed, “More of that story!” He blurts. But they drop to the floor distressed! Writhing with epileptic jerks! You can see their brains have shutdown, from the script our writers retreated. Dribbling with confused frown, The phrase continually repeated: “More of that story!” “More of that story!” “Mo da story!” “Mo da story!” “Muuu stuury!” “Muuu stuury” “Must Hurry” “Must Hurry” So if for a better series you yearn, The culprits ain’t David and Dan. From Hodor he did not learn, So blame that interfering twat Bran!
  25. honeyed chicken

    Acrophobia 35A: Death Comes As The End, Congrats Dolorous Gabe!

    Ditto to all the above replies.
  26. I am comfortable with Bran as King of the Six Kingdoms (GRRM's original ending). I am not comfortable with Bronn as Master of Coin (HBO's fan fiction ending).
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