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  1. Pino Proxy

    Bakker LI - The Darkness That Lies Ahead (TUC Spoilers!)

    Great answers. Thanks guys. Kellhus kind of defines the series for me, so the idea that he could be gone for good coupled with the fact that Bakker doesn't have what comes next planned out is really underwhelming. Also I really think Ajokli should have had more mentions throughout the series. It made the reveal less impactful.
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    Bakker LI - The Darkness That Lies Ahead (TUC Spoilers!)

    I just finished the book, and these are a few things on my mind that I'm wondering if people have answers to: 1. So was that actually Aurang at the end of TWP (considering that Inchoroi was...not like Aurax in TUC)? Or did Aurax become submissive, etc. only after the Consult was subsumed by the Dunyain? 2. I skimmed the AMA, but what's the big controversy? 3. What is the deal with Kellhus and Ajokli? What was their relationship and when did it start? 4. Are the Inchoroi creations of the "Progenitors" in the manner that Sranc are creations of the Inchoroi, or are the Inchoroi as we see Aurang the result of breeding over time much like the way the Dunyain did it? 5. What is the head on the pole? And of course, my biggest question: 6. Is there a general consensus on Kellhus and whether he will have an active role in the next series (like as a Ciphrang or an entity in the Outside)? Or is his role in the series complete? To me, the series has always revolved around Kellhus, so it's kind of jarring thinking we're moving forward with him removed from the story. On a separate note, has anyone here played Xenogears? The parallels struck me quite a few times during the series.
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    Bakker LI - The Darkness That Lies Ahead (TUC Spoilers!)

    Thanks for the detailed answer. I'm so tempted to click that... I can't though. How long ago did Bakker decide he was going to do more past TAE?
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    Bakker LI - The Darkness That Lies Ahead (TUC Spoilers!)

    What does this mean exactly? Thanks for the response, though. I was worried I was going to have to wait until tomorrow morning. This is eating me up.
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    Bakker LI - The Darkness That Lies Ahead (TUC Spoilers!)

    I haven't started The Unholy Consult, but I've finished all of the others. I shouldn't be here, I know, but no other thread is open that doesn't have TUC spoilers. The question I have is: is this the last book in the entire Second Apocalypse series? I thought there was going to be another trilogy or whatever after The Aspect Emperor, but I'm not seeing any evidence for that (I don't know why I ever thought that actually). No spoilers, please. Quote me or @ me so I get the notification...
  6. So I just encountered the second character death in recent moments in the books that made me go "Uhh..." Not only do I not get how Meppa was killed, but I also don't get how he had no answer for it. If I'm understanding right, Esmenet's Chorae destroyed his Wards (which I didn't know was possible), and the imperial archers finished him off. But can't sorcerers detect Chorae? Even if Cishaurim can't for whatever reason, he had to at least know that there may be at least one Chorae somewhere nearby, possibly. Like, compare his approach to the Scarlet Spires in TTT, who had themselves completely encased with soldiers and shields. This comes not long after Kosoter's death, who somehow just forgot that his company wanted him dead (Galian claims that Kosoter had been aware of their mutiny for a while) and would kill him the first chance they were able to (like not having Cleric by his side). I don't know. Maybe it was the case that he had done everything Maithanet/Kellhus had asked him to, so he had no need of living on past that point, but I don't really believe that. Also, the description of Meppa falling outward makes little sense to me. How did he fall at an arc over the strewn horsemen? If he was salt it would make sense, but it's never said that the Chorae got him.
  7. So after reading a bit further and seeing more of Kellhus and Proyas's conversation, it would seem the previous cryptic passage is about God and Kellhus. "You" is Kellhus, and the head on the pole is God. That's what I'm gathering. I still don't know who the speaker is (can't just be third person omniscient because it says "me" at one point, and isn't written in that manner anyway, it seems). Also, the part about Kellhus's heart crashing into ruin as a result of his empire crumbling. Does this refer to him being "broken-hearted," or him becoming damned (I doubt this)? So hard to puzzle this out when I can't tell if I should be following completely or reading on and gathering more details.
  8. Am I supposed to know what each of the pronouns refer to? There was "you" and "me" in that passage. Was I right about it being about the No-God, or is it too soon to say whether I'm right or wrong? And yeah, I agree that the Dunyain do have tendencies that you would see in a religious order, and Moenghus even said that the Dunyains' ultimate goal is tied to God in some sense in TTT. I just don't get why the leaf and coin thing is a determiner of who gets to pass on their blood. I will say this, the second half of TWLW and the very beginning of TGO seem to be marking a certain shift in tone. Things seem "heavier," for lack of a better word. The last two chapters of the last book (near the Library of Sauglish and in the Temple Xothei) elicited a lot of emotions in me. They disturbed me, in a good way. It's hard to describe.
  9. Here I go again. I just started The Great Ordeal, and I really don't like progressing when I'm lost and unsure about whether I should be lost. So, Chapter One, the passage that goes "There is a head on a pole behind you." Pretty hard to follow in no small part due to not knowing what all the pronouns refer to, what the Sons are (Sranc?), or what the Countless Dead are. For some reason I have it in my head that this passage is about the No-God, but I'm not sure what is leading me to believe that. Could someone clear this up for me to the extent to which it should be clear for me at this point (so nothing based on things to come in the book)? It's very hard to follow. Also, I have a question about the one Kellhus POV we've had this entire series up to this point. It's where he's talking to Proyas, and it's the passage right before the "head on the pole" one. I'm confused as to how the Dunyain see the oak grove as sacred when they don't have any connection to religion. Or why a show of physical precision (coin and leaf thing) is the determiner of who has children. Or how that "rite" relates to Kellhus's talk with Proyas. Like, I'm gathering that he needs Proyas to do something, without Proyas having his faith in Kellhus as a crutch. But why does the passage refer back to the coin and leaf thing? The coin and leaf rite and Kellhus testing Proyas seem to be representing different concepts, so I'm a bit lost here too. Again, I know it may be better to just read on and see what I can gather myself, but it's hard doing so without knowing I'm gathering everything Bakker wants me to. If you do respond to me, please quote me so that the notification links me directly to your response. Thanks.
  10. Thank you. This makes much more sense. I just couldn't figure this exchange out, so now I can continue without being lost.
  11. I'm in the middle of The White-Luck Warrior, and there's a scene that is completely baffling me. Like, I have not the first inkling whatsoever of what is going on. I might as well have skipped the exchange for how little clarity there is. It's right after Maithanet kills Inrilatas, and Esmenet is sitting over his body, talking to Maithanet. She starts by saying "Before, I knew I could defeat you." This is the start of me being totally lost, and not a single word for the rest of the scene makes anything any clearer for me. The part that loses the most by far, though, is: "I was so willing, Maitha. And I knew you would see...see this in me, realize that I would let all Empire burn to war against you, and that you would capitulate the way all the others have capitulated to my sovereign will." Could someone explain to me what Esmenet is saying to Maithanet here in this scene, including the "vulnerability of the Dunyain thing"? And the "you need only be willing to sacrifice yourself"? Seriously, the only meaning I am getting out of this exchange is "I am angry that you killed my son." Nothing more. I have only read to the end of the chapter, where she asks Sankas for an assassin. Nothing past that, so I would appreciate no spoilers past this chapter. Thanks... EDIT: I can only read posts that quote my own. I get notifications that link me directly to posts that quote me, and in that way I can avoid reading posts that are discussing other parts of the series, therefore avoiding spoilers.
  12. Thanks, Happy Ent. It makes way more sense after I read it again after hearing both of your explanations.
  13. Thanks, Kalbear. That clears it up a bit.
  14. Does anyone remember the passage in Chapter 9 of The Judging Eye, the one with "a life forgotten," from Psatma's perspective? I don't really get what is going on, so I was hoping someone could give me a rundown of what is actually going on in that scene. That is where I am in the books, so I don't want spoilers past that point.