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I gave it 7/10 - not as good as episode 2 but better than 1 & 3. I thought Clarke had refused to get her titties out any more? Did they blow the dragon budget on paying for her boobs or something? How quickly that fire spread was just silly - is show Dany meant to be like that fire guy from Xmen now, or something? Tormund getting a hard on for Brienne was funny - he wants to make the big bitch slick like an eel and she didn't know how to deal with it Another excellent moment was Osha telling Ramsay she had seen worse. Stark reunion - meh, I wasn't phased. Don't really care about the Starks anymore - they've been emo's for so long I've given up on them. Tyrion was as boring as he has been all season and I'm glad Missendai called him out on his slavery expertise. The High Sparrow - now there is a character I care about. Only character in the whole show that isn't self interested ATM, I hope he wins and plunges King's Landing into civil war.

But who says you do? Or anyone does? There are pages and pages on this forum where fans argue the books themes, concepts and heart and soul - ASoIaF is very open to interpretation. Who is right and wrong? Is GRRM a romantic or a cynic? I think many book only fans get infuriated because their personal interpretation of the books (which is positively re-enforced by finding like minded people on a forum or some such) is different to how the HBO adaptation is playing out.

I mean to be insulting to both D&D and GRRM - they both started something good and are dropping the ball. D&D probably don't have the same writing skill as GRRM - if they did they'd write original stories and not do adaptations. GRRM sold something that was incomplete and D&D were stupid enough to buy it - they are jointly responsible for starting something that is now blatantly obvious that neither had a solid plan for how to finish. Do you blame the drug dealer, the drug user, or both? I don't care about word use, I don't even care that much about cinematography. Don't give a damn about the arty farty pretence. What I care about is story - an engaging and well organised narrative that moves at a consistent or quickening pace. ASoIaF/GoTs only had that at the start. Besides all of this, GRRM used to be involved with the shows production, assisting with the story development and writing for it - so it was never fully a D&D adaptation anyway. Also, the saga isn't finished - may never be, so, though you can claim GRRM is a good writer you can't claim he is a good storyteller (based on ASoIaF) because the story isn't finished. You cannot accurately judge a story without an end.

Abridged the HS tells Tommen that everything human about Cersie is impure and corrupt and that her only good point (loving her children) comes from the Gods. Because the HS aims to get Cersie closer to the Gods, he will make all aspects of her better. Tommen has no mind of his own and is being led astray by everyone, his wife, his mother, the HS. He will end up dying wondering WTF he did wrong

I think you are going to have to give the show 10/10 - because I can explain it. The Lannisters are snowed into the south, otherwise they would have given Ramsay Tommen by now.

bent branch - that is bullshit. The books are the source, and any adaptation can't exist without the source. And, nothing is perfect, including whatever the fuck Mayor of Casterbridge is. If ASoIaF was such a literary masterpiece, it wouldn't be outsold (even with the popularity of the show) by 50 Shades of Grey. Just because you think it is one of the best things you have read in your life, does not mean the world does. Your opinion is just one in many. The question isn't whose fault is it that after season 4/book 3 GoTs/ASoIaF went of the rails - the onus for that is clearly on the original author - GRRM designed the overall plot. THe question is only who do you think is fucking this saga up worse, the author or the showrunners?

I gave it 6/10, which is the same as I gave the first episode. It was quite uneven - some bits were good and others were crap. Pycell farting was a bees dick from jumping the shark - the show is copying memes of itself, WTF?? Dinklage can't act for shit, that much is glaringly obvious now his character has nothing interesting to do. At least riding a pig and rejecting a dwarf woman would have been more interesting than watching him ATM. Dany is also boring as fuck when the dragons aren't around - you can't ramp a story up and then slow it down like that. She rode her dragon, she bonded - the dragon should be at her side always now. Without Drogon, she is so blah... Shaggydog's head prosthetic was so poor and broke my suspension of disbelief big time. Arya is kind of in the middle for me - it's a bit boring but vaguely interesting. I liked the Jon stuff, that was good. The establishing shot of Bolton territory with the cart and the snow and the upside down flayed corpse was very nice - I want to see more shots like that, those kind of dark medieval/fantasy type things which this show is about. Young Umber was cool. TOJ made me laugh hard, not only did no-one get to see Lyanna on her bed of blood but Howland was a back stabber. It was funny for how many people will annoy - I hope that happens in the book. Other than dark fantasy, trolling it's viewers/readers is a staple of this saga. High Sparrow and Tommen was excellent - though I sense Tommen will die this season.

I don't see how I am being disingenuous - I readily criticize the books and show. I think they both started going downhill after book 3, season 4 - because neither GRRM or D&D really know what point they are trying to make with this saga - they have each lost their way. Re the wall, the more you think about it the more ridiculous it is in books and show. A big wall of ice made to keep out ice mages - really? Oceans (made of water) on either side. Even if the ice mages are like the Dothraki and scared of salt water, there is enough fucking ice north of the wall to build a bridge or causeway around it. The wall makes no sense as a device to keep the Others out of the south - it could only logically have been erected to try and warn humans away from the north and even then there must be simpler fricken' ways. But you are doing exactly what my post suggested people do - you are picking a side, you are saying the showrunners are doing a worse job with a story that seems to have lost it's way than the author who originally penned it. The show and books have flaws, heaps of them. Those flaws weren't apparent at the start because the writing (in books and show) was engaging enough to overlook them. GRRM and D&D are as good, or as bad, as each other. Both GRRM and D&D are starting to remind me of Damen Lindelof of JJ Abrahack - they know how to start stories, they know how to throw interesting ideas out there - but they have no fucking idea how to finish them. Can anyone end stories properly any more? Last night I watch some show called Cloverfield St or something - it was ok, engaging and then the ending, WTF happened? Most things nowadays feel like that - the start is written by some type of author or storyteller and the end is written by a 5 year old, in crayon

Most of the 'bad guys' have been killed less dramatically than the 'good guys' in this saga. Joffrey really got let off light, Robb watched his wife and unborn child stabbed to death, was slowly killed by stomach wounds himself and then paraded around with a wolfs head on his shoulders. A character's 'goodness' seems more relevant to how dramatically and gruesomely they are killed than anything else.

Nothing wrong with criticism - I'm all for it, including criticism of criticisms. Why does the forum have to be biased towards either the books or the show? For me there are good and bad aspects in each - the trouble is there aren't any threads that constructively criticize and compare both mediums, like: Show Cersie is a deeper character than book Cersie Book Tyrion has far more character depth than show Tyrion and so on Further, there never seem to be many threads intelligently discussing why these differences occur, like: Show Tyrion is probably more shallow than book Tyrion because the actor didn't want to be portrayed riding a pig for laughs and rejecting the advances of a dwarf woman. Instead, it seems to be either team GRRM or team D&D, when many things are probably beyond either of their control. Which is also extremely ironic, because one of the key messages in the books and show seems to be that picking sides is bad.

The books are more nihilistic than the show. What we love destroys us is the primary message hammered home over and over in the books - the show doesn't drive it home as much. The difference is the books (because of what they are) are more open to interpretation whereas the show is not. A reader can bring their own hope to GRRMs words, or not, depending entirely on interpretation.

Much better than last week - I give it 8 also. Re Davos wanting Jon brought back to life, that is a bit strange. But I don't think Davos knows that Mel burnt Shireen yet - surely if he did, he wouldn't ask her anything. And, in the interview with D&D last week, they clearly said Mel was evil, so I don't think she has told Davos what went down. If only the dragons toasted Tyrion, I would have given it a 9 or a 10. Dinklage's charisma has totally worn off and his lines are just shit now - Tyrion's old news, let him die already.

This I agree with - but I think it also proves that fAegon is entirely an after thought, or filler, on GRRMs behalf. Unlike Dorne - which was established as a location in book 1 and the Martels, which were established in book 1, fAegon never was. The whole Dornish plot in books 4 & 5 is filler - a side plot - nothing more. The story doesn't need any of it and now the show has made that blatantly obvious. This, inturn, makes it obvious that GRRMs plotting, after book 3, has gone distinctly downhill and that there may be no well planned ending for this series, or, at the very least, that he is trying to draw it out and is struggling to come up with meaningful ways to do so. Would the show be better if it was still based on GRRM novels - undoubtedly yes, I don't think D&D will deny that. Do either D&D or GRRM have a clear, well planned idea of where this is all going - it doesn't look like it any more.

If you read what I originally wrote I said he just vanishes - you never see him get on the boat. I said he may have or may not have - but you are jumping to an unproven conclusion because you interpret the editing as showing that. You can not prove I am wrong in this, beyond your interpretation, which will never be proof. It's not being obtuse to be factual and pedantic.

It does say the ship, not Myrcella's ship. It's vague and can be taken either way. I'm sure if someone asked D&D which ship he was on, they either wouldn't know, wouldn't say, or say it was Myrcella's. And then if they were asked how the Sandsnakes got there, they wouldn't have a clue. Oh and I thought Trystane was a he And why can't he set foot in the capital? Why is Dorne even in the show or books - that is the real question where all of this leads. Is there any reason to assume, in either format, that Dorne is more than filler?

If you rewatched it you would know that Jamie says 'I'm glad you're coming home' to Myrcella and 'I'm glad he's coming with us' - ie home. He does not specify that they are coming/going home on the same boat. You never see Trystane board the boat, saying he clearly got on is a flat out lie. He stops at the top of the steps down to the boat and the scene changes. He is not with Doran in the first scene as the boat departs but then Doran is not in the next scene on the docks when Obyren's missus has that antidote. I'm not arguing that Dorne isn't poorly written, acted and edited - there is, however, no definite proof that Trystane travelled on the same boat as Myrcella. They are both dead now, so who cares. And the Dornish plot in book was kind of slow filler that was full of cliche anyway. Dorne shouldn't be in the book or show - I like the character of Arianne Martell in the book but can accept that she was entirely pointless filler like Quentin - Dorne is a waste of pages and screen time, you will get no argument from me - but you will get an argument when drawing a conclusion of an event that was never shown or clarified.

I just watched the relevant scene from Episode 510 again. Trystane mysteriously disappears He he standing near Jamie when Obyren's pshyco lover kisses Myrcella, he then watches Jamie and Myrcella get on the boat. We cut to Bronn's bad pussy interlude and, when Bronn get's on the boat, Trystane is nowhere to be seen. So, he either got on the boat or he didn't. Next scene we see the jetty in, only the Dornish women are present, so if Trystane was still in Dorne, he is probably with his dad. Who knows - it is badly edited but, after episode 601, the only logical conclusion is that he went on a different boat.

Her arms did look chubbier than last year, yes. Hey, how funny would it be if, IRL, she is pregnant and in GoTs she is playing the character with the dead womb. How would they cover that up in production?

I think Twistayne, Uber-bras the whale rider and the asian chick from Star Wars went on a differnet boat to Jamie.

6 - probably one of my lowest rated episodes. I re watched them all again before this (which includes season 5) and Dorne is just cheap, every time it appears. Remove Dorne and the quality of the show would be more equal across all seasons. Arguably, book Dorne is also a bit of a waste of words, so I dunno - Obyren was a great plot element but I guess we just didn't need to know anything more about his homeland. Brienne is also becoming silly in show but... Brienne also became a bit silly in book. You know what it feels like - there is more filler than main story happening. This thing is being dragged out in book and show - it's just not necessary. Concentrate on the main characters and story and wrap things up already.

I only saw the second half coz I expected Foxtel took my state's time into account (not just those in the Eastern States), so now I either need to wait an hour or be illegal to see the first half Can't rate until I have seen all of it.

50 Shades has outsold ASoIaF by a large margin also :D It's funny, people argue about what they like, or don't, expecting others to like, or not like, the same thing - when it doesn't really matter. But, here is the question, if we all just accept that we like things our own way and are unique special snowflake entities with our own interpretation of the world, we don't really have that much to talk about, do we? Romancing a breeding partner, raising children, communicating solutions to issues in the workplace - valid communication, I guess - but when it comes to discussing entertainment, it's about as meaningless as football scores, isn't it? So why do we do it?

Don't know about biggest and best thing - but I think GoTs has manged to break through the just a show into cultural phenomenon status, more than any other adult rated TV show.

Within that scene she had no agency. Of course, she declined going overseas because she loved Tyrion (why, I don't fucking know?). Then Tyrion dumped her and she got the shits on - hell has no fury and all that. Then Tyrion was locked up and she thought she make some money on the side with Tywin. Then Tyrion got away and when she saw the look on his face, after just waking up and being disorientated, she was scared because Tyrion was furious. She had less agency than Tyrion in that scene - regardless of what had gone before. Jeez. Stannis has no agency now (I think he's still alive, in show) and he had heaps before - doesn't mean he cant still interact with the plot. Agency is dependent on the character and the situation.

Although I agree that the show does whitewash Tyrion - especially this season - I didn't get the feeling that Tyrion was defending himself against Shae in that scene. I got the feeling, throughout the entire scene, that Tyrion was the aggressor with most of the power and that Shae was the victim from the start.