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  1. 14 minutes ago, SeanF said:

    Not that I am aware of.

    But, i stand by criticisms of the essays.  The text does not support Feldman’s thesis, that the peace was real, the slavers are reasonable people, nor that Danaerys is choosing between good and bad sex.  Nor that Ghiscari slavery is anything other than extremely evil.

    If that's what you took away from the essays I'd recommend a re-read.  

  2. 39 minutes ago, Many-Faced Votary said:

    Yes, Mr. Feldman understood the themes of the narrative, the interplay and conflict of peace vs. war, and Dany's rejection of peace by embracing Fire and Blood at the end. Probably most importantly, because there was an outright erroneous conclusion to the contrary that was common among the fandom at the time, he realized that Dany administered Meereen capably and to the best of her ability and compassion, given the constraints of the "peace" that existed and her compromises to maintain it.

    Nothing about what he Mr. Martin said suggests that the conclusions of the essay were correct. That was based on the false premise that the peace was just and nonviolent. It also involved speculation on Mr. Feldman's part, speculation characterized by heavily classist and misogynistic views, combined with vile slaver apologia and the lionization of slavers over former slaves.

    Yeah, sure, "he got it exactly, he knew exactly what I was trying to do" means he completely misunderstood the point of the narrative and reached conclusions that were not only wrong, but misogynistic and pro-slavery.  Don't believe your lying eyes.

  3. "Apologetic for slavery?"  Give me a break.  Your criticism isn't of Adam Feltman, its of GRRM.

    GRRM: "I read those (the Meereenese Blot essays) when someone pointed them out to me, and I was really pleased with them, because at least one guy got it. He got it completely, he knew exactly what I was trying to do there, and evidently I did it well enough for people who were paying attention."

    Has GRRM ever said anything like that about anything you've written?

  4. 33 minutes ago, Lord Aegon The Compromiser said:

    I'm just starting a new reread, but I'm beginning to think it more likely Arya will die fighting rather than ever sailing west of Westeros. Though I loved that show ending for her. It would be a great spin off to watch and if she does survive ASOIAF, I hope to read of her adventures in a sequel series. I think D&D abandoned her real storyline to get her to Westeros with everyone else. It's then difficult to guess what is book canon and what isn't.  

    Its hard to nail down where Arya's story goes after Braavos.  Returning to the RL storyline seems the most likely since its where she spent most of the first three books and its where Nymeria is.  She is also intimately linked to Harrenhall and the God's Eye.  As well as the RW, and I expect a big showdown at the Twins in ADOS. Arya should certainly be there.

    33 minutes ago, Lord Aegon The Compromiser said:

    Jon I think is far more complex. We don't even know if he actually dies in book. Though it's likely, sure. But what happens if we rejoin him in book? I'm not sure how much the show helped us, with all the missing book characters, much of post resurrection Show Jon could be (and seems likely to me) borrowed from what other characters (such as Aegon) will do in book. I mean stuff like the Battle of the Bastards is obviously going to be different in book (Stannis is still alive and is in what we could call Show Jon's place). Those that ignore all the obvious, known differences between Book and Show and believe that every character's story arc played out/ended the same way as it will in book are going to be sorely disappointed . You are going to regret letting yourself believe inaccurate things like 1. GRRM supposedly saying the show is 97% accurate to how the books would play out 2. GRRM supposedly confirming RLJ when he didn't even mention the father (seriously, that's a HUGE leap) instead of continuing to craft your theories while waiting on the books.  

    I'm of the opinion that they gave Jon's story (barebones) to the show only character of the Night's King which is why they couldn't give the characyer any motive, because they can't write and are hacks.  They created a show only character but couldn't give him any show only characteristics.

    Jon goes north of the Wall post resurrection.  Once he sees Jeyne he will assume Arya is dead and has been betrayed by his NW brothers.  He goes north, looking for Bran, looking for Benjen, lured by bran, Ghost, Summer, something.  

    At this point Jon story will continue the parellels with Dany.  We'll get some "the Others know who you are, do you?"  I don't think the Others are Evil, though they will certainly be destructive, and RLJ just doesn't cover all the nothing Jon doesn't know.

    Jon, I think, gets his Return of the King moment by taking WF from Stannis, who by this point has gone full Denethor staring into the flames.  Jon's army (of the dead) then moves south to the Twins.  Now I don't take anything from the show as cannon, but Arya's turn away from vengeance, along with her killing the NK (Jon), along with Jon's joke in Arya's first chapter, could all combine for quite the bittersweet ending.  But its more likely they were just trying to retcon Mel and Arya from season 3 as well as give something of significance for her to do this season.

     

  5. 2 hours ago, Suzanna Stormborn said:

    So yeah, he says that they made some of the characters have the same ending as what he had in mind 5 or 6 years ago. and that's all. Everyone on this thread who is falling for the ULTRA STUPIDITY of what D&D gave us---well I feel very sorry for you, and I am sorry that you have so little faith in GRRM. To even suggest that his masterpiece will end the same way those 2-bit hacks showed us on HBO is appalling.  But of course, all Dany-Haters will love the HBO ending (despite most of them complaining about how stupid the show is these past 8 years) and Dany-Fans will hate it. I am seeing a clear divided line on these HBO threads, with most book-forum Dany-Haters coming here to say they think this is how it will end. So the show is "stupid, plot-less, bad writing, ridiculous, larry carol, deadpans, Pomade Jesus", etc. right up until Dany starts killing innocents--then all of a sudden it's "Exactly accurate" and "this is the ending" well fucking LMAO to that. D&D are dumbass terrible writer/directors and if hating Dany makes you suddenly disagree with that that's on you. I prefer to be 

    This is extremely unfair.  Many of us have seen Dany's arc leading to this long before D&D did their hack version of it.  This is like saying there won't be a Long Night because the show version of it was ridiculous.

    I don't consider anything on the show to be confirmation in the books (Cleganebowl, the Others being irrelevant and pointless, other stupid things) but there are a lot of reasons to believe that something like this will happen in the books.

    They diverged so drastically for all the characters that its just impossible to tell what's a shitty version of GRRM's ending and what's just fanservice.  But Dany's ending certainly wasn't fanservice, and the hamfisted way they bent her character makes me think they felt some obligation to end her story that way.  Or they just think fanboys love grim dark stories and can't write character arc's and don't care to try.

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