Lord Lannister

On 11/9/2023 at 10:39 PM, Here's Looking At You, Kid said:

Yes.  One of the boys saw Quaithe.  Jorah, I believe saw her as well. 

That was the show.

You might be on to something with Shadd being Shadrich. You lost me when you brought Reed into it though. 

I think Jon and Robb would almost certainly have an unspoken alliance. That'd be a huge edge against the others if they don't make it too obvious from the start enough to cause everyone else to initially gang up on them. 

20 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

This is not tinfoil, that’s the problem - tinfoil can be fun! This is yet another hate thread, whose posts are based on fuck all besides the hatred a small and vocal group have for anything Stark-related, even if it’s related by marriage as this very idiotic thread shows. 

Distinction noted. Just was poking fun at the silliness of it. Been a couple years since I've been around here regular and yeah, people are still trying to tear down characters that threaten their favorites. 

On 12/29/2023 at 12:37 PM, kissdbyfire said:

Please, speed up your posting of totally inane and laughable ideas that are 100% free of any connections to the text of the novels. Then this blasted thread can reach 20 pages asap and be put to rest. Cheers.

You can't kill the tinfoil theory threads. They rise again, insaner and stupider. 

On 1/3/2024 at 1:03 AM, Hippocras said:

I do tend to agree that Myrcella will be queen briefly. I don't think that the attempt Arianne made to crown her counts as fulfillment of "gold with be their crowns, gold their shrouds". Nor do I think their hair colour is satisfying as an explanation of gold crowns.

However I have certainly wondered if Aegon under certain circumstances, might use her claim to boost his own and help him take the throne, rather than Myrcella claiming the throne entirely in her own right. He could pretend it is like after the Dance, when enemies united in matrimony... until Jaehaera "committed suicide". Myrcella is, after all, on her way North from Dorne currently, and Aegon's forces are on her path while Arianne is negotiating with Aegon.

Cersei has done a great deal to alienate the Tyrells. If they can find a way to extract Margaery and get their people safely out of there then they will gladly leave Cersei and Tommen to their fate and go defend themselves against Euron in the Reach.

Sometimes a simple explanation subverts expectations. Golden hair could easily qualify as a golden crown. It could also end up meaning other things than a literal explanation. Viserys got his golden crown for example.

As for the Tyrells abandoning Cersei, if Cersei was still calling the shots in King's Landing I'd be inclined to agree. But she's not. She's disgraced and Kevan is dead. That all but leaves the Tyrells in charge in King's Landing. All the Tyrells have to do is put a document in front of Tommen for his seal naming Mace Regent and Hand and tell him it's what Margaery would want.

If the sellsword companies were doing the majority of the fighting over there they'd be running the show. At the end of the day a sellsword company typically isn't going to fight to the death for someone else's cause. They'll be vicious and oppurtunisitic when the odds are going their way, otherwise they're typically going to cut their losses and pull back so they can fight, and get paid, another day. 

Mace Tyrell for me. I always believed the bumbling oaf act was just that, an act.

He's consistently managed to land on his feet during the Rebellion and the War of Five Kings. He manuvered himself into a postion during the Rebellion where sure he took a side, but wasn't getting his lands or armies destroyed in the war by tying himself down besieging Storm's End. If the royalists won the war he woud've been due his reward, as it happened he just dipped his banners and called it a day taking fewer losses than any other great house in that war. 

He managed more savy manuvering during the War of the Five Kings. He's managed to hedge his bets quite well and moving Margaery from being engaged to Renly to Joffrey to Tommen was quite genuius. Sure his forces and lands seem to be in the direct line of fire more often during this war, but the Tyrells are playing the game to win and be on top and are managing to bounce back from every reversal they're dealt so far. As the books end, they're in virtual control of King's Landing and the Council now that Kevan is dead and Cersei disgraced. All that needs to happen is Tommen be handed a piece of paper to seal naming Mace Regent and Hand. 

Sure a lot of people dismiss his role in Tyrell success by saying it was all Olenna. But at the end of the day a good ruler is going to listen to good advice and act on it. If he was truly an oaf, he'd just dismiss Olenna's advice saying he wasn't going to listen to some woman or something. 

On 1/2/2024 at 1:42 PM, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

Both, first have them flayed and then burn them and the Dreadfort.

Just killed will do. I never understood the people who want the bad guys to go down so bad, they're perfectly fine with the good guys acting as bad as them or worse. 

There's a lot you can be critical of Daenerys about but sometimes people reach too hard. Sure Dany was party to the actions of Drogo's horde in some ways. It's why I have a hard time feeling bad for her feeling betrayed by MMD. But she wasn't going to be able to stop it. This was legitmiately a young girl nudging events into a less terrible outcome for those women. Sometimes that's all you can do. 

Victarion makes him blow that horn. 

I guess I'm just not seeing why Dany would care one way or the other about the Frey-Stark feud unless one house or the other ends up pledging to her. To her they're just the usuper's dogs fighting amongst themselves.

I'd say in between. He definitely had his dark aspects, and part of what makes him a compelling character is the reader can identify with why he ended up this way. He also has compassion and even a general desire to be decent in a savage time. 

As things are going by book 5 he's sliding more towards evil though. Maybe he'll have an intervention that lets him get his life back on track. Or maybe he'll keep taking his daily doses of screwitol and continue his decent into darkness and despair. 

4 hours ago, Rondo said:

Those who saw the comet thought it was for them.  This is an echo of Rhaegar who thought he was the prince who was promised.

As you say, the whole prophecy is one huge case of confirmation bias. You can make a case for almost anyone twisting the words this way and that and cherry picking facts.

Is it time for me to spin my "theory" about Hot Pie being Azor Ahai Reborn again? 

Brandon Stark marching into the Red Keep and yelling for Rhaegar to come out and die.

On 1/28/2018 at 0:15 PM, mankytoes said:

I thought the acceptance of gay marriage one was pretty depressing, I'd have thought legalisation would have made it go the other way. Regular conservative people tend be relatively quick to give way on these kinds of things. Like in the U.K, first we had Civil Partnerships, and conservatives opposed them. A few years later and those same people are saying "we don't need gay marriage, I support gay equality, but we have that through civil partnerships!". Maybe it will take a few years.

Eh, I think the government just needs to get out have the marriage business altogether. In theory there's supposed to be separation of church and state, and too much of matrimony has it's roots in religion. If that requires rewriting tax codes and things to recognize households as opposed to marriages so much the better. It gets the government out of the business of picking and choosing what to and not to recognize, which is what we have now.

On 2/11/2017 at 6:41 PM, HelenaExMachina said:

Michelle Fairley (Catelyn Tully) will play Margaret Beaufort in Starz' The White Princess

Which gets irony points given how much of Game of Thrones is based on the War of the Roses.

Holy crap, that was a powerful episode and a lot to get excited over. I was literally on the edge of my seat the whole episode. A weak season over all, but it went out with an epic finale. Perhaps the most epic episode of GoT ever. The whole Wildfire plot was just chilling to watch unfold, and the music captured the moment perfectly.

1 hour ago, Lord Freddy Blackfyre said:

I think Sansa knew that The Vale army would attack, she was just waiting for Jon and Rickon to die. She looks disappointed when she saw Jon running after Ramsey.

And to those who are saying that Jon was stupid in falling in Ramsey's trap, well unlike Lady Bolton Jon Snow care for his family, it would have been completely out of character if Jon didn't try to save his little brother.

I think this is going a bit far, though I do feel that Sansa feels threatened by Jon. She made a point a couple of times this season to point out that Jon's not a Stark, seems critical of everything he does, and went to great lengths to conceal that she had an army just waiting for her beck and call. I doubt she wanted Jon dead but I'm not sure she's very sad that the wildlings personally loyal to him took the brunt of the fighting,

It's amusing how many people watch this show every week if they hate it as much as they profess.

Just now, redtree said:

Tommen has got to be the dumbest and most gullible character i've seen in the series, seriously what's up with that one ?
Sansa who was pretty naive pretty much snapped up after seeing what Joffrey had done, Tommen was essentially putting his own mother to sentence. WTF

Almost wish we had Joffrey back. He would've stormed the Sept on day one. Sure Marg and Loras would likely die, but at least a Tyrell/Lannister war might be more interesting than... whatever we have now.

I'd say this one was the weakest all season so far. There were some good scenes in it, but also some random ones as well.

I enjoyed the sequence of the Hound just strolling up and murdering the brigands. It was nice to see him in action again. Though as amusing as Beric and Sandor arguing over who gets to kill who and how was, it just seemed random to make Lem and his hand renegades. It seemed just a clunky plot device to reintroduce Beric and Thoros and to bring the Hound in alignment with them.

The Riverlands plot was mixed. I enjoyed Bronn and Pod's little interaction and Jaime and Brienne's reunion was nice. Despite how the previews were trying to make it look like they were going against one another, they both seemed to understand where each other stood in this and were as aligned as they could be in the matter with their conflicting goals. Jaime and Edmure's exchange and threats was easily the highlight of the episode. Though giving the Blackfish an off screen death was... highly unsatisfying. But they did it with Dorne, so who knows? Maybe all the Stonefish speculation is true, but that would just seem bizarre. Either way the Riverland plot seems to be in a nose dive now and it's only a question of what they'll hit at rock bottom.

The Mereen scenes were... again mixed. Tyrion and Varys little scene was nice, and the book readers likely have a good idea where the story is going with his departure. Oddly enough I enjoyed the little banter between Tyrion, Grey Worm and Missandrei. His attempts to coax life out of them were almost successful and Grey Worm's "joke" did make me laugh. Until the plot just takes another random turn and oh.. .the slaver fleet is attacking with no warning whatsoever. If only Dany had a brilliant spymaster in her entourage that could've warned them of this.... speaking of her, her return was... disappointing at is was random. Did she really just use Drogon as a bus and let him go? That scene ending on a cliffhanger of Drogon breathing fire at the camera as he swoops end would've been all the hook we needed to keep us wanting more.

Cersei's scenes... well the whole "I choose violence" scene just seems to have been trailer bait because it did nothing for the plot. With all the "burn them all" and wildfire flashbacks this season, Qyburn's little "secret" is fairly plain what it's building up to. And what the hell is up with Tommen? A few episodes ago he was crying saying he'd never let his mother get hurt again. Now he drinks the koolaid and is all but condemning her to a kangaroo court? So the one interesting build up to all this, Cleganebowl, was canceled. Fuck the king.

Arya... ugh. I did like the actress giving Cersei a Shakespearean spin, though I'm still scratching my head at the whole sequence of events with her relationship with Arya. Arya couldn't go through with killing her and warned her about the young actress so she struck at her first. So did she just randomly take Arya at her word... or did Arya tell her everything? In that case why the heck is she sheltering Arya given how much the Faceless Men are known and feared in Braavos? I dunno. The chase scene was neat, up until the point you remember she just got gutstabbed repeatedly last episode. But hey, she was sewed up and got a night's sleep, so right as rain? The cowering in the dark hole bit would've been neat except for it was rather... predictable. Also... what the heck is up with Arya just storming into the House of Black and White to mouth off to Jaqen? Oh don't get me wrong, it was badass, but.... what was the point of any of it? Her scenes the past two seasons were incredibly repetitive and all for her just to say fuck off when she's accepted in? And Jaqen let her do that?

So we have pointless ends to the Blackfish's story, Tyrion's peace negotiations, Cersei's trial by combat and Arya's entire Braavos arc. Meh. This one gets 4/10. Next episode better live up to the hype.

8/10

While I'm thrilled the Hound returned, I felt the whole plot was a bit overdone. Certainly the intent was to make him sympathetic to the Faith and want to kill their enemies, likely to set up Cleganebowl. A few lines of dialogue could've explained how he ended up with them and the surprise reveal of him walking forth to challenge Gregor would've been much more... dare I say hype? Still he never seemed to break character during this whole sequence even if he was down.

Lyanna Mormont was awesome. Purely awesome. I hope we see more of her. Daddy Davos still has it as well. I can't help but start thinking there's a bit of a rift between Jon and Sansa however, mainly on her side. She seems to feel threatened by everyone looking to Jon as the leader of the Northern alliance. I also like that most of the houses seem reluctant to commit to an obviously losing side. The letter "mystery" really isn't much of one though. Should've just let us read it, since we all know it's going to Littlefinger.

The Theon/Asha scene... eh, didn't care for it. Just there to fill the boob quota and even Asha's making dick "jokes" now.

The Arya scene was kinda mixed. Was nice to see her actually doing SOMETHING in booking passage back to Westeros... then apparently forgets all her training(which a man found all those scenes repetitive...) and stands in broad daylight when she knows she's on a hit list. And let's face it... we know she's not going to die... so yay, drama.

Margaery... oh she's a master actress in this one. I'm still just not sure which side she's playing on though. I just have this vision of the sparrows waiting for her on the road between King's Landing and Highgarden now. Cersei's situation seems more and more precarious. All she has is Qyburn and the zombie.

Jaime and the Blackfish was awesome. Though I was disappointed he didn't threaten to have the Tully bannermen attack first, then the Freys, then if anyone's left the Lannister forces will attack as in the novels. It seemed perfectly logical and would be the perfect rebuttal to the Blackfish's determination to die. Was nice to see Jaime dishing it out to the Freys and some Bronnage. Though he seems unhappy with the Lannisters these days. I'm wondering if he'll jump ship again when a certain old friend comes back to Westeros in the company of a dragon queen.

All and all I can't wait for the next one.

Well given the amount of people who hate the show no matter what and will watch it every week to comment how much they hate it, I'm not sure these poll results will be entirely meaningful.

An hour of mostly nothing happening, but it sets things up to come. There was some good moments(Jaime and Cersei's grief), some cringe worthy moments(The Sand Snakes) but mostly this was just checking in on all the major characters with what they were doing. So middle of the pack, this episode gets a 5.

A long awaited episode, and it was interesting. The Castle Black sequence was about what I expected, though the opening angle of viewing it from the west as the sun comes up was interesting. While it's nice to see that Davos is governed by his conscience and acts on it now that he's released from his oath to Stannis. What surprised me is his seeming lack of emotion in the aftermath of Shireen's burning and Stannis' fall. Melisandre is clearly devastated and seems to be questioning her faith, but Davos just seems lost in the moment and falls right in with Jon's inner circle to avenge him... just because. Thorne's bluntness is refreshing and there really doesn't seem any ambiguity where this is going. Though if the objective is to assassinate Thorne, I'm not sure why they holed themselves up in a room. They could've just gone along with the new order until they manage to lure Throne out in the middle of the night for example, if the objective is killing him.

Ramsay feeding Miranda's corpse to the dogs was just strange, even for him. But I guess the audience needed to be reminded he was the bad guy, just in case we forgot. Roose is a much more interesting villain and it's nice to see that Ramsay is seemingly starting to lose everything he's gained because of his self-indulgent vices. The chase scene with Theon and Sansa was compelling and for a moment, I thought they were going to kill Theon. I don't know why, but Brienne charging in surprised me. It was nice to see that Pod's growing as a character too. Maybe Ramsay should've sent "twenty good men" after them. Though it was a nice scene, I couldn't help thinking that hypothermia should be setting in on Sansa and Theon. But hey, I guess that's a small thing to surviving a fall off a wall in good enough condition to escape in the wilderness.

Jaime returning home with Myrcella's body seemed to me to be the best scene of the episode to me. You can almost feel sorry for Cersei and their grief seems the most real thing of the episode. Certainly Cersei and maybe even Jaime are about to go over the edge. The scene with Margaery seemed kind of random beyond reminding us that hey she's there. It seems to me the High Septon was trying to lead her towards admitting she lied to save her brother. Which doesn't really seem a big deal to me, if he let Cersei go for confessing.

The Dorne scene now... well it surprised me. But I suppose someone pulling out a gun and pointing at me would also. If they were going to kill Doran so randomly, what was the point of any of the arc last season? But maybe planning isn't the strong suit, for I could've sworn all four Sand Snakes were on the dock as the ship sailed, so how two of them got down to King's Landing is beyond me. Keeping Trystane alive would've been interesting too. An exile prince backed by the Iron Throne against his treacherous family... but instead... the Sand Snakes manage a coup killing only three people. But with this level of support they still managed to have a hard time killing Myrcella last season. Meh.

An obligatory Tyrion scene, not much there beyond a bit of character interaction between him and Varys. Though I suppose pointing out that the Red Priests are taken by Dany and the Harpies are a going concern for the Imp was necessary. Another obligatory chase scene with Jorah and Daario. An interesting pair, some interesting interaction but no real surprises. Last season ended on a dramatic cliffhanger for Dany, being captured by the Dothraki but it takes all of two minutes for her not to be in any danger even if she can't leave on her own free will. All the talk of raping and killing her just for her to go "I'm Khal Drogo's widow" "Oh well we can't hurt you" is kind of disappointing. Though Dany has character shields out the wazoo so nothing bad can happen to her. I guess it's only a question of will her loyal followers save her or will her dragon? I do enjoy the Dothraki background music though, so hey the scene had that going for it.

Arya's apparently been exiled from the House of Black and White. Though it's a question of if the waif is training her or just tormenting her. It would be ironic if she were similarly punished for acting on her own behalf. The oddest thing about the scene seemed to be that no one in the background even blinked an eye at the blind girl getting beaten.

The scene with Ser Alliser and Davos negotiating was odd. Alliser never seemed to be a liar whatever else he was. Furthermore why would he lie about getting into a locked room? With all the losses the Night's Watch has taken you'd think he'd be genuine in offering his amnesty. It still brings up the question of why is Davos bothering with this mess when he has no stake in the Watch. Beyond being an all around "good guy" that is. Melisandre being glamoured is an old theory and nice to see that one confirmed. Though it makes me wonder if the new red woman we saw in the previews might be Melisandre if she can change her appearance at will. It does seem a bit late to introduce a new major player into the game.

All and all, not much really happened in this episode, but it set the stage for what's to come, I hope.