Deadlines? What Deadlines?

One way or another, Sansa will not give birth to Ramsey's child.

That's awesome. He should move there.

To be clear, I'm not saying KL "toughened her up" or that she was prepared for Ramsey's brutality. I'm saying that prior to KL, she had little to no concept of the brutality of men or specifically the brutality of men against women. After KL, different story.

So, his gift is to convince Olyvar to admit to perjury after he's seen Marjery locked up for the same offense (at the same hearing)? That would spring Marg and Loras immediately, but I'd like to see how LF convinces him to do this.

Ramsey is a force of nature, taking pleasure primarily with dominating people through terror. If he was smart, he'd be kissing her feet, not keeping her locked in a room. Power politics is not his strong suit. The way they set it up in the show, it will be interesting to see how Roose reacts to the treatment of Sansa. In the books, he's somewhat indifferent, but in the books it's the northern lords that bend to him. In the show, he's genuinely worried about them uniting against him. Rumors of Ramsey brutalizing the last daughter of Eddard Stark could see the marriage of political convenience backfire spectacularly.

He mentions Jon Snow during their back and forth about bastards. She implies he can't inherit if Walda's child is a boy (that was naughty of her), the Ramsey was legitimize by a bastard himself. Ramsey counters with the brute fact that the bastard of Winterfell is now LC demonstrating bastards can rise very high. I though that was clear. Lancel is not a boy. He's bigger than I am for crissakes.

I disagree. This is worse but Joffrey's torments were not minor. Neither were Cerise's for that matter. Although Cerise's interactions with Sansa are really complicated in those episodes. There are times where she seems to show a glimmer of sympathy toward her, and others where she just seems really cruel. I'm thinking of the talk they had after her "flowering" and the dinner scene where Cersei flashed Sansa an evil look for not acknowledging some question from princess Myrcella. The scene at court where Trant beats her while Joff is taunting her with a crossbow is still troubling to me if I'm honest. Seeing her fathers head on a spike is pretty brutal as well. I think prior to KL, she was not only younger but also much more sheltered from the brutal realities of that world. Side comment: There seems to be a population of book readers that have a lot of disdain for Sansa in the books and I think they tend to forget just how young she is. I read a lot of those comments and it seems to me that might make sense if we are talking about an adult but this is a barely pubescent child we're talking about.

It's established in that scene that Ramsey keeps her locked in that room. We even see Reek have to put down the food tray to fish for the key to open the door. We hear Reek lock the door after he leaves. The bruises on her body and her own words reveal that she's being subjected to constant abuse. She get's herself out of this pickle how? She signs up for mail order locksmithing courses? She grows wings? Seriously, I don't see what the puzzle is here. Also, anyone else having a hyperactive auto-correct problem? It's driving mad.

This.

Theon is the only one she can turn to. It's a desperation move that didn't work.

Ned didn't go looking for him. LF sent Ned to the "last place Jon Arron visited before he died." The blacksmith. LF sending some random dudes into the world looking for children that kinda look like Robert? During a war? And they didn't stumble upon Yoren's caravan heading up the kings road to the wall?

Maybe that's not her most important plotline? Why is it that the strongest critics of Sansa's current situation assume she's now a non-character? He doesn't have him.

Yeah, and he was lying to Sansa there. Joffrey's murder makes Lady Ollenna his co conspirator. It also gives him a mechanism to get Sansa out, though that's thread is going to take an unexpected turn.

It's not just the torment, but the constant threat of torture. In the books, Reek is sometimes tortured for no reason, or Ramsey will engineer a situation where Reek can't win. e.g., Theon's admission to Lady Dustin (I think) that he begged Ramsey to remove his digits (which is literally true but hardly complete) or starving him half to death then threatening him with flaying or amputation for eating a rat in the pen he is kept without permission to "eat one of the dreadfort's rats". Also, engineering his escape so he could be hunted and brought back. Ramsey's version of being nice to Reek is "only" keeping him in a state of constant fear.

When he says "the same thing I offered Cersei, A boy" I assumed he's talking about Sweet Robin, referring to the Vale. He's engineering a war. Stoking tension and making alliances with a bunch of sides. He's doing it all in secret and in such a way that he various factions betray each other. Risky.

There is no Theon. Only Reek.

Davos' interactions with Stannis in that episode deal exactly with that.

He was last seen rowing out to sea. Before that he was in Stannis' dungeons. Before that he was trapsing through the war torn riverlands, or as a captive of one group or another. What tabs?

Littlefinger is going to magically produce Gendry? Where's he keeping him? In a box? These two characters have never even met on the show.

Yup.

I thought the death of one or both of Cerise's children was forshadowed in the prologue to episode 1 I don't think she'll kill Ramsey... But she might wound him. There was a lot of yodelling on the previous show thread that HBO, being utter morons, would make it that Sansa would completely forget Ramsey's abuse and go skipping tralala by the end of the season. Anyone still think that'll happen? I like think there is every promise that they will take it on in a mature way, though there will be criticism regardless. I agree that made me more than a little uncomfortable after the end of e06. I also thought Ghost's appearance was a little contrived. Oh brother. This is the buzzword apparently. Other thoughts, I thought the Dorne scenes were great. Locking Bronn in the same jail as the sand snakes was a nice touch. I really didn't know how that was going to go. Lovely singing voice. Cersei bringing Margery a gift of "day old venison" was a nice bit of symbolism. That altar is obviously made of concrete. Just sayin'. Solid episode.

So, it would be too bad if the show stayed truer to the source material? Theon/Reek is compelled there as well.

I gave it a 9. It was nice to see Ghost again, but it felt a little contrived. Also, after the way episode 6 ended, that whole scene was a bit too close. Easily the best Dorne scenes thus far, though still too brief. Lots of great scenes actually.

OK, far be it from me to offer advice to strangers on the internet, but maybe you need to step off this forum for a tick and calm down a little. I thought this thread might be becoming a race to the bottom in terms of posts becoming more and more hysterical, now I'm convinced of it. After the better part of 40 pages, we've seen it argued that D&D just wanted Sansa to get raped (planning it for years apparently), accusations of "fridging", several hundred words arguing Tommen is a rape victim and accusations that they aged Tommen just so they could have a sex scene with him and Mergery (a scene which does not actually exist). You could have made the concentration camp argument, but you didn't. You only mentioned it. Still, if you think some kind of moral equivalence can be drawn between D&D/HBO editorial decisions regarding their adaptation of ASOIAF and concentration camps? I can't think of anything more vulgar and offensive. I'm off.

Right. So says the Geneva convention on cinematic adaptations of novels. What on earth are you talking about?