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  1. She has a list, no question. Her list probably has a meaningful order, but there's no way she passes up a target of opportunity.
  2. I'm thinking back to Catlyn's words to Rob in season 1: "We will kill them all." Given everything Sansa has been through, and given that the Lannisters are responsible for the death of her father, mother & elder brother, and the destruction of her house, etc., I doubt she will make a distinction between "good Lannisters" and "bad Lannisters". Tyrion might be the exception, as he was actually kind to her, but that's moot because I don't think they will ever cross paths again. She let Littlefinger live, but that was a near thing. I think if he had said the wrong thing, he'd have been done. Jaime has no relationship with her at all. The show never puts them together and he never so much as says hello to her. All she knows is that he is the Cersei's brother and (probably) Joffrey's father. What?
  3. He couldn't have anticipated the wildfire or Tywin's forces showing up. She had an epiphany.
  4. Changing the subject to things apart from the north and the wall: -The big reveal scene in the house of BW was incredible. It really highlights weirdness of the concept of "no one" and how alien the faith of the faceless men is. -The walk of shame scene was also incredible well done. That was the first time that I truly felt sorry for Cersei, in either the show or the books. Lena headey was brilliant.
  5. Why again does he need a teleporter to get to Mereen? He was traveling there with Tyrion from the start of the season.
  6. A popular sentiment, no doubt. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHgf-dyUMAAHk5R.jpg:large
  7. That's basically exactly what I said here http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/131070-book-spoilers-ep510-discussion/?p=7109685 :cheers:
  8. He's not necessarily less popular. It isn't clear from the show (and it's pretty unlikely in the books) that the watch is unified in support of the Mutiny. More likely it's a faction within the watch. Whether he killed an other at HH or not, you still have these guys who think letting the wildlings through is a colossal mistake and that Jon is not that man to be leading them. That he's a traitor and the son of a traitor. That he loved a Wildling woman, that he's too friendly with the free folk, etc. These guys are blinded by their hatred of the Willings. The sight of seeing Wildlings and Giants coming through their gates would only reinforce that belief. Remember that in ADWD, Jon makes the argument (to Bowen Marsh I think) that they need the Wildings on their side (literally and figuratively) because if they leave them to fend for themselves, they's just be more zombies to fight later. Marsh's reply is let them die and the watch can hide behind their wall. Again and again, he just can't see it any other way
  9. It has already been established that support for Jon is divided among the NW. Thorne's hatred for Jon has been pretty consistent throughout the series. On this: Why did they show up at castle black on the north side of the wall? I'm willing to assume some inlet or natural harbor that made it more logical for the fleet to drop them off north of the wall and then make the walk to Castle black on the north side, as opposed to sailing to East Watch and walking the rest of the way. The "map" is not necessarily cannon in the show and (for all the discussion about it) this is trivial detail that doesn't demand a lot of exposition. The point of that scene was to show how Jon was alienating the watch. That's the meat of the scene. Why let him through only to kill him later? A mutiny is not something that you can just pull off. At the time Jon returns, he probably still has supporters. He is also still the LC after all. However, I think the critical element here is Stannis. I think it's common knowledge that Stannis respects Jon. Stannis is also notoriously inflexible when it comes to dealing with criminals. At the time Jon returns, Stannis is still alive and his army is still intact. How would Stannis react to a mutiny at the wall? What if they do the deed and he decides to punish the Mutineers? What if he wins the battle and and occupies the north? Hard to say, but it might be enough to give the would-be mutineers some pause. All that changes when Mel arrives (by herself) at the wall. Even if they didn't receive word that Stannis' forces had been crushed, anyone eavesdropping on the argument between Davos & Jon and then watching the body language in the following conversation between Davos, Jon & Mel would strongly suspect that Stannis was no longer part of the equation. Why does she return to the wall? Where else is she going to go?
  10. We got a glimpse of an as yet unexplored part of Westerns and they killed a princess. I'd call that consequential. The jail scenes were fun.
  11. "Cheese doodles" is a bit strong. "Pile of shit" is a bit strong.
  12. I can appreciate valid criticism, but there's no in hell way that episode was a "1". The fact that there are so many "1" votes tells you all you need to know.
  13. Low ratings and too expensive to produce. The original plan was for something like 5 seasons that would ultimately take us to Palestine and feature the beginning of Christianity. They found out late that they had to wrap things up so they compressed the last half of season 2 and finished with the ascension of Augustus.
  14. I must be alone in that I like this season and I liked AFFC/ADWD. Both have their flaws but that's fine. I understand the necessity of making changes in the show, particularly because of the amount of material they have to fit into 10 episodes. Why send Jamie to Dorne? His river lands material is great and, with luck, he'll go there next season. I think the primary thing that sending him to Dorne does is it ties Dorne more closely to the main story. In the books, Dorne is almost a completely separate entity and it's a bit tough to get into it at first. That would be very weird to pull off in the show. Why send him with Bronn? Illn Payne is a mute for one thing. That might make the dialogue scenes a bit lumpy. Also the actor that plays him (Wilco Johnson) is currently battling pancreatic cancer. That might make his schedule a bit tight for filming. Stuff like that. As I've said before, There have been loads of accusations, mostly from book purists that its a poor adaptation because it differs too much from the books or "they aren't supposed to do that" or whatever. There have even been people accusing the show runners of creating fan fiction. IMO, if that's what people really think about book-to-screen adaptations, get ready for a lifetime of disappointment. I for one, like many of the changes. At this point, who knows what's going to happen next?
  15. HBO's "Rome" (one of my favorite shows) had this same feature.One episode they're in Greece, the next they're in Egypt, the next they're back in Rome. They compressed events that happen over the course of years to what seems like days. Just go with it. I'm perfectly willing to assume that it took Mel a day or two of hard riding to get back to the wall.
  16. Oh, fine. Fuck, whatever. He's a hack because after producing fifty episodes of an incredibly complex, multi-threaded story, in one interview he describes an event that happened in season 4 but confused it in an utterly trivial way with a similar event in season 2 and no one caught the flub before it aired. We, as fans of ASOIF should immediately start an online petition to compell Beniof to retract or correct that statement or HBO should fire him from the show immediately. At the very least, they should issue a sincere apology. Or, I can just go get a beer. That would be nice too.
  17. Maybe Beniof just misspoke. Maybe he was confusing one scene with another. Are we really getting uptight about this?
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