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  1. ftheking

    Evil People

    I agree with you that the wildlings are less hierarchic and misogynistic than the IB, but more cultured is the wrong term. On the contrary they are less cultured and closer to nature. Sometimes that's better. While our culture today moves in the direction of equality and human rights, culture is also what brought humanity patriarchy and slavery for example in the first place. Maybe a teeny bit easier, but I think you are overstating it. We witnessed the first kingsmoot in 4000 years! These are very special times we are reading in. It took Balon seeming to have no surviving sons and his oldest brother being a complete maniac, who is despised by his entire family. Otherwise the Ib monarchy would be pretty solid.
  2. ftheking

    Evil People

    That's ridiculous, but I'd advice anyone lots of masturbation or suicide in that case. Definitely not torturing kids to death, I don't get how this is not obvious. In general a person who has zero choice but being evil and cruel all the time would be seen as monster/demon and fully evil. These beings really only exist in fiction, vampires, orcs etc. and usually people claim Martin doesn't have such one dimensional villains. Now you claim the Mountain is not evil BECAUSE he is a monster, who can't and couldn't be anything but 100% destructive 100% of the time... and that is again proof of Martin's lack of black and white writing...? Anyway the mountain is presented as a human being capable of thought and speech and knowing right from wrong and he chooses wrongtastic every time, because it makes him feel good - or as you would argue - better. He is the poster boy for evil, no matter how much he hurts.
  3. ftheking

    Evil People

    I actually have a friend who has perpetual migraines, really seriously to the point of counting as fully handicapped and unable to work for a living. It fucking sucks. The day she decides to cut my arm off and rape my dog I'm still going to hold it against her, believe you me. Fortunately she didn't show any signs so far. Come the hell on. Gregor is an unfortunate fellow and he is 100% evil scum.
  4. ftheking

    Evil People

    That is just not true that Arya feels no pity. How could you possibly get that from her chapters? She goes completely crazy with rage when she overhears that one asshole laughing about gangraping a young girl and killing her brother, so that she rushes to off to waste one of her kills on him instead of her enemies or the enemies of her family. That is more than pity that is EMPATHY. Everyone who feels empathy also feels pity, pity is easier. It obviously makes her the oppositte of a sociopath she is the oppositte of Roose. Bron is just a run of the mill selfish asshole. It's really like people are misreading Arya on purpose.
  5. ftheking

    Evil People

    Aha, he was evil for not supporting Stannis without even knowing it, accidental evil. Come on, you have to understand how claiming Renly was "twice evil" was bs, you're just being stubborn now. As you say here either or, NEVER both. So Renly was "once evil" at most. For oppossing the rightful-by-heriloom king, who he judged as not fit to be king, which is the only legit reason to usurp I can think of. ETA: And we actually know he is right. Joffrey is the worst, whoever his father might be. So not evil at all. Yet you said Renly was "evil twice" for it, so I guess we can just agree you said something ridiculous.
  6. ftheking

    Evil People

    This reasoning only applies IF you believe that Stannis was the rightful heir to Robert. You can not believe that Joffrey and Stannis are both the rightful heir. Renly had no reason to doubt that Robert's kids are Robert's kids, which made Stannis an usurper. Renly had zero reason to support him. (He pretty much didn't have a chance either since Stannis only came out of the woodwork after Renly already crowned himself)
  7. ftheking

    Evil People

    Okay so he is evil for betraying his rightful king AND for not supporting your favorite usurper in betraying the rightful king. That makes a lot of sense! Renly has no reason to support Stannis and a far better reason to usurp the throne, namely that Joff and the Lannisters behind him suck and he could d it better (and also stay alive). I don't believe that you personally follow a code of ethics in which being against the heir of the last king being king for any reson is the definition of evil. Basically the most evil person you can imagine is a North Korean who hates on their supreme leader? Treason!
  8. ftheking

    Evil People

    LOL yes, I had edidet that! Though they did say he caused the Columbine school shooting... which brings us to the point that what they "caused" is almost irrelevant to judging a person's morals. Intent, motivation and remorse are crucial.
  9. ftheking

    Evil People

    Good grief you can't be serious. We don't know enough about the Mountain? We know about how many rapes, murders and other astrocities? We are not in his head so we can't know if like Tyrion he also once was an abusive arsehole to a sex slave, who will remember him and retch .... We also wouldn't care, because it wouldn't even come close to his top 100 evil acts. We care that Tyrion does it because we root for him or want to root for him or think we are suppossed to root for him. Or imagine the Mountain murdered that dbag singer Dareon and stole his boots. You wouldn't even shrug. When our hero Arya does it we take notice. If the Mountain did it, we would wonder if he is becoming nice, because everything else we read about him was 10 times worse. I can't believe so many people pride themselves for not knowing the distinction between evil and "once did something wrong". This is actually important, because the latter group of criminals deserve to be given a second chance for the good of humankind and for being a civilized society, while people like the Mountain and Ramsay and Charles Manson need to be locked the hell away forever (if alive). You don't have to use the term evil in real life, but you should understand that some people are irredeemable and others are not. And them having a horrible childhood is sad, but it doesn't change what they are now.
  10. ftheking

    Evil People

    Yes, she's less evil than the Mountain and my post made that clear. But having any reason beyond cruelty does not automatically make one not evil. That would be a really silly definition. Also, she is actually a character who does "get off" on the suffering of others, only that she interprets it religiously. "Oh it's best for them and so beautiful when they scream and die" GROSS. Would you really excuse such a person in real life? And she is a complete bitch to Cressen, going out of her way to humiliate the old man before killing him. What lofty motivation could she have had for that? In a thread in which the Faceless Men (who don't humiliate or torture) are repeadedly called evil not mentioning Mel is an oversight.
  11. ftheking

    Evil People

    Okay. I do remember the insurance guy, he absolutely had it coming! I thought people were talking about an innocent. Why focuse on the age of that evil son of a gun? Wrongly. I mean I do agree. How do you know? Because MMD said so? Lets think about this... She was torturing him, whatever she put on him it was absolutely killing him and she told him taking it down would kill him - so devious. Most devious of all she even claimed doing anything against the pain would kill him. She was a genius. She very much admitted that she was taking revenge and/or killing dangerous Dothraki on purpose when it was all done. Why on earth would she ever try to heal Drogo? I mean how could you even possibly approve of such an action when you describe what he did to her people? It would be like Arya giving Walder Frey her kidney so that he can live ten more years.
  12. ftheking

    Evil People

    Wait what old man are you referring to that Arya murdered? I disagree with her murder of Dareon. That is the only thing I ever disliked that she did. It doesn't put her anywhere near the evil list. It shows her to be something between a stupid child and traumatized slightly above breaking point. She thought she had to punish him in her father's honor. Crazy, barely evil. If you count Arya, you have to count all the slightly grey characters and the lists becomes a joke. Though really, what old man? MMD is not evil either. You can call her killing of Dany's still innocent fetus wrong, but she had very understandable reasons for doing so and for believing it's right. It is a moral dilemma. So at best morally grey. Friend, she lied. (Or did I miss your sarcasm?) Most evil: Ramsay, Euron, Mountain + crew, Bloody mummers, Amory Lorch, Roose Also very evil: Melisandre, LF, Tywin, Cersei, Joffrey, Victarion, Walder Frey Am I the first one to mention Mel??
  13. ftheking

    ASOIAF becoming a GOOD VS BAD story

    Agree with the first sentence, but I'm a bit baffeled why you are so convinced that every hero will just have to kill a girl. You seem a liiitle over-enthusiastic about Nissa Nissa. Especially a tertiary character having to kill main character badass assassin Arya as a sacrifice?? No, thanks.
  14. ftheking

    [TWOW SPOILERS] Theon I, part vi

    I thought Ahsa is planning to kill Stannis (she gave him a chance to just give Theon up, but well) and free Theon at the Weirwood. She has her two guys (or are there more? ...I'm a one time reader) and her suitor didn't seem so impressed with Stannis either, maybe he'll help. Of course most likely logical outcome is failure, but who cares, he is her little brother and she'll save him or die trying. The knowledge about Ned and the ways of the north are surprising, but I agree she could have it from the Mormont girl. It is even a likely topic for conversation with people getting burned alive in Stannis' camp. People might be motivated to discuss the superior way of excecution in their culture. Of course I hope Bran will get into the action, or already is - like in the raven, but for Asha to just be his sockpuppet with no agency of her own would be very dissapointing.
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    Renly Gay?

    Well, Renly actually did like dressing up and playing mummer since he's a kid, according to his old maester...
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