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  1. TheSovereignGrave

    Atlas of Ice and Fire

    Well it also says that "Harren's father had extended his domains east to Duskendale and Rosby. Harren had devoted most of his long reign, close on forty years, to building a gigantic castle besides the Gods Eye, but with Harrenhal at last nearing completion, the Ironborn were soon free to seek fresh conquests." Which kind of implies that Duskendale and Rosby were the eastern border of the Hoare Kingdom (otherwise I think it would've been mentioned).
  2. TheSovereignGrave

    Atlas of Ice and Fire

    How come Crackclaw Point is coloured in as if it were part of the Riverlands? As far as I know the peninsula was never actually permanently a part of any Kingdom up until the Conquest.
  3. TheSovereignGrave

    Atlas of Ice and Fire

    Aren't we outright told in tWoIaF that the First Men only passed through Dorne without really settling it since it was just a bunch of desert? And according to the Wiki (I don't know how accurate it is) it's believed the Lake of Dorne was separated from the Narrow Sea by a strip of salt marshes, which could've just been difficult for them to make their way through.
  4. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    Ah, gotcha; I see it now. The way you worded it made it sound like the way he acted or what he did didn't sound like one of the First Men.
  5. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    How exactly does he not sound like a First Man?
  6. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    I think it might be safe to say that whenever a character says 'a thousand years ago' it really just means 'a long time ago' unless they happen to be a maester or something.
  7. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    The Conquest was only about a century after the Doom. Harrenhal took 40 years to build, so Harren ruled at least 40 of those years. I'm not sure how long his father and grandfather lived, but Harwyn lived to be 64 so his reign was probably of decent length.
  8. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    But the thing is that Qhored Hoare supposedly brought the Ironborn to the apex of their power. It was under him that they ruled chunks of the coast from the Arbor to Bear Island. And that was probably way before the Andals ever came.
  9. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    Yeah, I'm willing to bet stuff like that's intentional. After all, it makes sense that people in-universe wouldn't know. But the Qhored Hoare thing bothers me, since that's something that the maesters in-universe should've caught.
  10. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    Yeah, the timeline is really all screwed up because we don't actually know how long ago any of this happened. There's a massive difference between what is widely believed in-universe and what the Maesters think. Plus the wiki also says that the Ghiscari Empire was defeated by Valyria some 5,000 years ago. And since that was the start of the Valyrians' expansion, it makes no sense for the Andals to have reached the Riverlands 5,000 years ago when it's believed that Valyria's expansion was the reason for them traveling to Westeros in the first place. And I for one cannot imagine the Teagues ruling for very long, since according the tWoIaF everybody hated them. The fourth King spent his entire reign riding back and forth, putting down rebellions. As for Volantis, yeah Volantis is incredibly old. I mean, it was the first of the Free Cities that was ever founded. EDIT: Oh, they're definitely inconsistencies. But that's to be expected in an in-universe book. But you'd figure that the Maesters would realize some of these inconsistencies and try to explain them.
  11. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    Oh yeah, I forgot that the Andal Invasion occurred at different times in different areas; my bad. But apparently the Greyirons ruled as Iron Kings for about 1,000 years, so that would put their rise to power around the time that the Andals were first landing on Westeros. But the Teagues didn't come to power shortly after the Andal invasion. The Justmans were the first Kings of the Trident after the Andal Invasion, and that wasn't until centuries after the Andals had conquered the Riverlands. And then they ruled for nearly 3 centuries, and afterwards there was nearly a hundred years of chaos. It was then that House Teague came to power.
  12. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    2) Yeah, I'm inclined to believe that more of them decided to pop up in the chaos of the Century of Blood. 3) Dunno, maybe they did engage in trade wars with one another. 4) It probably says that because House Justman didn't even exist until after the Andal Invasion. And by that point there weren't any Driftwood Kings, as the Greyirons had made the title hereditary and then after the Andal Invasion the Hoares came to power. So it's quite simply impossible for a Qhored Hoare who was a Driftwood King to have ended House Justman.
  13. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    2) I don't see a mention of the pirates only starting to dwell in the Stepstones after the Doom in the Free Cities chapters. Could you possibly post the quote? Because I may have just missed it. 3) I think Harwyn just lived not long after the Doom. I can imagine that once the only thing tying them together (Valyria) fell, that the Free Cities immediately began vying for power with one another and warring. I mean, the century after the Doom is known as the Century of Blood for a reason. 4) I'm inclined to believe that there were two different Qhored Hoares, and the two just became conflated into one. After all, the Justmans came to power after the Andals invaded and the Hoares were the Kings in the Iron Islands after the fall of the Greyirons. So there was an older Driftwood King Qhored Hoare (who may not have even been a Hoare; some accounts say he was a Greyiron or Blacktyde) and a newer Iron King Qhored Hoare, and it was the later King who put an end to House Justman.
  14. TheSovereignGrave

    Errors in the WOIAF

    Are you confusing Jaehaerys I and Jaehaerys II? Jaehaerys I was the son of Aerys I, and inherited the throne after Maegor the Cruel (his Uncle) dies without children. Jaehaerys II inherited the crown from his father Aegon V.
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