Hrulj
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Not at all. I find him a very sympathethic figure and can understand his actions and motives, but then again I come from a more primitive culture than most westerners are.
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6 hours ago, Julia H. said:
Well, he managed to start a civil war and "disorder" in the whole realm as well as discord and disaster in his immediate family.
Of course, he shouldn't allow his son "to be taken at will by another great house". But the attack on the Riverlands was not his only option.
Civil war in entire nation while maintaining image of strength for himself beats rebellious vassals under himself and a peaceful realm. He won that war in the end.
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Feudal lords are closer to mafia bosses than government workers. All their power and rule is based on public perception among their equals and peasantry. To allow his son to be taken at will by another great house would be admitting weakness and invite civil war within westerlands as well as disorder. Tywin did the right thing
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On 7/25/2022 at 9:18 AM, SeanF said:
You were born out of your place and time. You should have served in the SS.
You should come up with more inovative insults. Let’s now find a way to make a serial rapist and sexual abuser into a protagonist because he doesn’t remind us of our dad
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6 hours ago, SeanF said:
1. Drowning non-combatants, including children. Truly a mark of greatness.
2. Parading a woman naked through the streets is vile.
3. They were married by a Septon. That was gang rape.
4. More rape apologism from you.
7. Hardly Joanna’s fault.
8. Elia was her friend.
9. More child murder apologism from you.
10. More rape apologism from you.
You’re revealing a very nasty side to yourself.
1. There are no non-combatants. All there are members of a household or sworn to serve it and followed them into rebellion. Fact no one rebelled afterwards against him is a show of what a great decision that had been.
2. Shouldn't have stollen and humiliated his dead mother and ordered people above her station around. Parading a woman naked is a common westerosi punishment for scandalous behavior.
3. Doesn't matter to me. Both her and Tyrion should know better
4. It's part of life, not 21st century.
9. So? Ned spared children and led tens if not hundreds of thousands to death. Even today I'd happily pull the train switch onto one kid to save hundreds of thousands of people from same train.
10. Don't care
So? It's a side that exists in the world today nevermind centuries ago.
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12 hours ago, boltons are sick said:
It's strange that you hate Tyrion for being a rapist but at the same time you completely ignore that Tywin had a young girl gang raped by an entire garrison of soldiers. What Tywin did is much worse than what Tyrion did and Tyrion at least felt some remorse.
Tywin didn't rape her. He paid her to be a prostitute. We never hear of her refusing money. Or Tyrion saying she fought back and resisted.
11 hours ago, EggBlue said:he did the best with what he had
if it wasn't for their Targ Plot , the Dornish probably would have joined the war . Tyrion was no fortune teller , therefore , what he did was the best in that situation.
if not for his trick , Stannis would have taken the city before Tywin and Reach could save anyone.
that wasn't just on Tyrion. those two should have joined forces but Cersei's paranoia came in the way and the only way for Tyrion to actually do anything was to fight her back. and if by Lannister loyalists you mean Pycelle and Janos...please!..
not his finest hour
the irony is Tywin did the same.. he just kept his whoring secret
granted , a terrible threat . but the truth is he was playing a part that he knew Cersei would buy.. he never meant to harm Tommen. that's the thing about Tyrion : he has accepted people referring to him as a monstrous Lannister imp and he plays the part .. although as time goes by he is embracing that persona entirely.
shall we talk about how Chataya was an innocent human being that Cersei used for no absolute gain other than threatening Tyrion? and unlike Tyrion , she would have been true to her word
his interactions with Joffrey were golden! that kid needed to be taught a lesson
that's more upsetting than anything
yeah , but his sister and father both would have done the same thing.. which is a problem with them all..they are too proud to see someone like LF might have his own agenda
oh boy! that misogynist monster? ! I have to make another post about that!
It brought about absolutely no benefit. Dornish didn't fight for them before or after Myrcella was sent. Having her as a hostage only encouraged them to be further disloyal.
The trick merely killed people. It didn't delay anything. City was set to fall all the same without Tywin and Mace coming along to pull Tyrion out of the fire.
Its explicitly on Tyrion. Head - Pikes - Walls. Tyrion knew Littlefinger set him up for Bran's murder attempt and got the war started. Does nothing. He comes with Tywin's full authority - wastes it. His sister is irrelevant and powerless as long as he has backing of his father. He does nothing with it.
And? Fucking whores in secret isn't something Tywin opposed from Tyrion. Tyrion made a reputation for himself troughout the seven kingdoms as lecherous imp. That's the problem. The bringing whore over is a problem because Tywin already knows.
Yeah he played it great. Then cried when people came forward acusing him of murder. Guess what, I tell someone I'll kill them, they wind up dead - I'm the prime suspect. Tywin never makes threats. He should've ignored cersei. Especially since the entire threat of Cersei was precipitated on Tyrion trying to protect Shae from her.
Should I care about Chataya? Should hand of the king and future lord of Westerlands care about a prostitute?
What lesson did he learn from Tyrion save to inflict violence and threats of it on those that displease you?
His father would've had a plan that goes with it. Tyrion just sends people over and awards them Paramouncies like candy.
10 hours ago, EggBlue said:ok! which one is his greatest deed?
1) mascaraing Tarbeks and Reynes
2) forcing his father's mistress to a walk of shame(and make no mistake ser.. he only did that because she was a commoner who had risen above not because she was a corrupted woman)
3) having his son's 14 yr old wife gang raped
4) making his son watch his wife being raped
5) neglecting his twins to the point that he was entirely clueless about their affair
6) thinking himself so high and above that ,for no good reason , just assumed crown prince of a dynasty that hardly married outside of their inner circle, would be his son-in-law. and worse than that made his little daughter believe that , having her heart broken afterwards.
7) accusing his dead wife of being unfaithful for the sole reason of not getting a pretty son , before her corpse was cold.
8) "honoring" his wife's memory by offending her friend
9) ordering two brutes to murder children
10 ) ordering a mad man to rape and kill a woman because Great Tywin was offended by her marriage
11) conspiring for a slaughter of nobles and innocent soldiers in a wedding
12) probably Duskendale (disputed)
1. Yes. That was a great deed that cemented the rule of his house and cowed his vassals into respecting them after decades of ineptitude and weakness.
2. Yes. She was a mistress who donned a dead ladies jewelry and ordered people about. She got what was comming to her and should've counter herself lucky he didn't murder her outright.
3. Wife and rape are questionable. Jaime may as well have lied to make Tyrion feel better. Tyrion never mentions any resistance.
4. Tyrion should've known his place.
5. Who sees his own kids having a good relationship and thinks to himself - yep, they're fucking for sure.
6. Awww poor Cersei's little heart. Tywin aimed high. His only mistake was trying to tie himself to the Dragons out of some mistaken loyalty to a former friend gone mad.
7. Heavily implied mad king forced himself on her.
8. What friend?
9. He did what was best. Everyone is a kid once. Viserys and Daenarys survived and they didn't settle down on a homestead finding true love and growing flowers. They prepared to return and in the end did their best to raise an army to attack. Personally I'd have castrated Aegon and had Rhaenys married to the royal heir but killing them was a decent choice as well.
10. Sucks to be her. That woman's brother was offended by a fart, murdered mean by poison in honor duels after cuckolding them and being caught doing it.
11. Should've kept his word Rob. Sucks how Frey's are prickly. Red Wedding was a stroke of genius. Ended war, Frey's are pissed upon even more. All with no further Lannister dead.
12. Do I care?
6 hours ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said:Well, not at the Blackwater.
You can say what you like about him. Doesn't change the fact that he saved Joffrey's reign and his family with it. What have you got some sort of personal grudge? Did a character in a book insult you in your daydreams or something and now you've got to have satisfaction? Get over it.
Blackwater explicitly is his worst moment. It failed.
6 hours ago, frenin said:He gave Myrcella away for the guarantee of the Martells not joining either the Starks or the Baratheon brothers. Tywin would use a similar tactic later too.
Tyrion can only work with the info he has. Tywin doesn't know about the Targs, yet he still wants the Martells on his good side.
And the Martells wouldn't support Stannis either!!
They didn't nor could know that. Their only info was that th Martells had a lot of bad blood and now the Lannisters had enemies on all sides and desperately needed an ally not yet another enemy.
Tyrion doesn't read the books.
Ofc it failed. Tyrion was massively outnumbered. He couldn't hold the city. He resisted enough for Tywin to arrive, had it not been because of Tyrion, Tywin would have found Stannis sitting on the Iron Throne.
So what you're saying is that without the alliance Tyrion forged... Stannis would have taken the city? Well yeah.
He spent his Handship prepping the city for Stannis, cleaning up the filth like Slynt and replacing them with loyal men and fending off his sister's meddlings.
Which isn't really a problem, it's just stupid.
Well, that's just dumb indeed.
He cannot see the future.
So what has that to do with his Handship?
Tywin agreed to it to, perhaps there was a gain. The Vale acknowledged Joffrey/Tommen as its liege and starting paying taxes back.
Again, they do not read the books. The Vale did not recognize the Lannisters, the Bloody Gates are impenetrable so militarily conquest is off the question, Lysa is kin with the Starks and at any given moment she might change her mood and join them in the fight, making the Starks's rebellion a nearly indefinite thing.
Besides the obvious fact that a foolproof way to know your power over a territory is seeing whether said territory is paying taxes or not. The Vale obviously wasn't and there wasn't a thing the Lannisters could do to force Lysa's hand. Tyrion ended the problem.
Martells joining Starks or Baratheons? Starks are far, Baratheons blamed for Elia all the same. One of which is dead at that point and another is a fire obsessed lunatic. She could've gotten the Vale trough Littlefinger pressure and further planning. Instead she's disfigured in Dorne.
What did Dornish "Alliance" bring from that point to the last books?
And Stannis would be besieged by the biggest army in the land, and subsequently extinguished. Instead he kept the king in the city to be captured.
She didn't at the start she wouldn't at the end when Starks are being beaten at every corner.
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5 hours ago, frenin said:
Yeah. He takes after his father on that one.
He was a great Hand of the King, saving the Throne and his family from the Baratheons by first orchestrating the alliance with the Tyrells, when Twin was getting beaten by Edmure, and second by resisting Stannis's onslaught.
He also cemented the alliance with the Martells... Alliance his father spoiled due to his hubris by refusing to deliver Gregor's head as promised.
He got Petyr to agree to control Lysa Arryn and further isolate the Starks.
He also was a pretty good Master of Coins.
I mean, he had a pretty good track record. There's no reason to believe he would have ruined the Westerlands.
He was a terrible hand of the king. He gave away Myrcella for no gain. There is no Dornish alliance, Dorne still plots with Targaryens, and it was Neutral either way. His entire plan for city defense hedged on one singular trick - chain and wildfyre, which failed. Without Tywin and Reach forces arriving Stannis would have taken the city. He spent his handship on petty power struggles with his sister and making enemies of all Lannister loyalists in the city. He brought a prostitute over, despite explicitly being told not to, then proceeded to threaten his own nephew with rape for her sake and sets stage for his own imprisonment and condemnation for murder of Joffrey with those actions. He thinks money can buy friends and lovers rather than see that people are with him for said money and is shocked when a whore doesn't love him and sacrifice her own life to save him from his own idiocy. Or that a mercenary doesn't throw it all away for his sake. He gave the Vale to littlefinger for no gain. Vale was and has remained neutral.
4 hours ago, Canon Claude said:And his father is still worse. His sister too.
Hardly. His sister is worse off but his father is a great man
- Nathan Stark and Maia
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On 3/6/2022 at 11:10 PM, Canon Claude said:
How edgy.
On 3/7/2022 at 3:53 AM, EggBlue said:Cersei? is that you?
On 3/7/2022 at 9:00 AM, Aejohn the Conqueroo said:of course the heads of himself, Jamie and Cersei could discuss this together from the atop the pikes they'd be skewered on after the Blackwater had Tyrion not been there to stop Stannis. Maybe not discuss so much as just get pecked by crows...
Tyrion is a literal rapist, self entitled useless wastrel that gets along his entire life just on his Lannister name, fails every opportunity to prove himself and lives simply to spite his father and ruin Westerlands
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I hate him and he's a disgusting human being. Tywin should've thrown him into the sea and spared his family a world of pain
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Mine would be that I hate Arya and what she is becoming. I'd be the happiest if she tried to kill someone and he just grabbed her by ankles and dashed her head against the walls.
I would disagree as someone that likes Green. Team black is in the wrong due to cuckoldry, lack of disinheriting of Aegon and the fact that Rhaenyras own sons didn't clear her name and smallfolk attacked Dragons with sticks and stones when she ruled over them because of how bad of a ruler she is.