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  1. Tywin Lannister is a mix of Pope Alexander Borgia and Edward I of England.

    GRRM has admitted that Stannis is partly inspired by the Roman Emperor Tiberius, but I also see elements of Richard III in him as well.

    The Dothraki are a mix of Mongol, Plains Indigenous, and Scythians. 
     

    It would also be too obvious to point out that the Iron Islands seem to be a loose adaptation of ancient Norse society.

  2. Torrhen Manderly. He was a loyal black for his entire life, in victory and defeat. One of the last men to stand with Rhaenyra, and she rejects his obvious good advice to go North. Then her brat of a son takes out all his resentments on Torrhen when all the man does is try to unite the broken realm and help his isolated king get out of his own miserable self-piteous attitude. And instead that king spits in his face by disrespecting him, firing him and cancelling all his plans in one fell swoop. 

  3. All this is one thing that really bugs me about the Nights Watch. It doesn’t make sense to me that they should number more than ten times their current amount during a time when there was no feasible way that anyone should have been able to get to the Wall in the first place. Like, each kingdom was warring with the others on a near constant basis. Sure, you could sail people to Eastwatch by the Sea, but that’s not always an ideal possibility. How did anyone even get to the Wall overland? Did every kingdom respect the NW back then and just let thousands of men be shipped north ? Anyone could have taken advantage of that to invade lands through trickery. 
    If anything, the numbers should have increased AFTER the conquest. Open travel through the regions, anyone could send their criminals away, plus anyone who actually wanted to go. 

  4. 29 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

    It does seem strange boltons survived esp given we know the kings of winter have exterminated at least 5 houses (frost, amber,towers ,greenwoods and ,greystarks) and house blackwood fled the north so prob would be 6 if they hadnt ran!

    House bolton not only contested control for centuries but on 2 occasions sacked and burnt winterfell as well as flaying starks however when we put it into perspective we know the starks also waged war with the barrowkings (ryswell and dustin and possibly others)  for 200 years of conflict in 1000! This  on top of various battles vs ironborm,skagosi, vale of arryn, kings beyond the wall and other powerful northern lords like the marsh kings...a history of constant warfare to subdue the north.  The very fact boltons could.sack winterfell twice and are top 3 houses in the north by books start hint its always been a rich powerful area with a solid fort! We know at least one of their stark wars they were aligned with the greystarks thus exterminating both houses was probably beyond the starks for that war.

    We know they also alligned with the starks to throw back forces from the south so have been useful allies.

    Overall it most likely timing that saved them...they bent the knee by the time the starks had secured such a stranglehold of  the north that wiping out house bolton wasnt worth the effort nor was any futute resistance likely.

    That’s a good point, I forgot about the Andal invasions. That’s probably what saved the Boltons more than anything. The North had a common enemy and the Boltons stayed loyal until there was an opportunity to finally overthrow House Stark.

  5. 7 minutes ago, Maegor Targaryen I said:

    Yes the Boltons are the traditional enemy of the Starks. At the very least the most recent internal one. With the shit that happened between them I’m surprised the Starks didn’t just wipe the family out. Making a cloak out of a Stark’s skin, well any human being’s skin, is cause for it in my opinion.

    I agree, I don’t see how the Boltons survived when so many other houses didn’t. I guess the official reason is that the cost of victory would have been too much, but unless the Boltons had a lot more allies than we’ve seen, I don’t see how that’s the case. Even now, Roose can only seem to rely on the Karstarks: everyone else’s loyalty is uncertain at the very least.

  6. 1 hour ago, Lord Varys said:

    After the Dance the Targaryens definitely would have had severe issues with Lord Unwin Peake - although he has no sons, so part of the reason why the house continues might be that Gedmund Peake is going to be able to ingratiate himself with Aegon III, Viserys, and Alyn Velaryon (although I expect that Egg is going to turn out to be wrong about the Blackfyre Rebellion costing them two castle - I think Unwin is going to lose them the first, and Gormon later second). But this doesn't mean they were favored earlier. Part of Unwin's motivations seems to be to restore his house to its old glory. There was a decline throughout the Targaryen/Tyrell reign.

    It doesn't seem to have been very obvious or visible. But you can also outmaneuver and reduce a noble house more subtly. Say, there could be a prevailing tendency of Highgarden/the Iron Throne to favor the rivals of House Peake in court. Reasons for that could have been plenty - for instance a Peake could have been the last wife of King Mern IX or of his heir. A fact like that could easily enough put the Peakes in a very bad position with the Targaryens and the Tyrells. The Peakes could have put forth own claims to Highgarden, with one of Unwin's ancestors being among the claimants Lord Theo Tyrell had to deal during the reign of the Conqueror.

    The Peakes apparently weren't able to ingratiate themselves with Maegor the Cruel - Maegor took Coldmoat from the Osgreys for siding with the Faith Militant. The Peakes may have also gotten a slap on the wrist during this reign without this being explicitly mentioned.

    And Jaehaerys - well, it makes sense to assume that Septon Mattheus may have been a Gardener descendant through House Florent, but he could have also been a Peake by birth. Something Jaehaerys wouldn't have forgotten easily.

    But as I said - there could have just been a succession of wastrel/incompetent lords paired with the fact that maintaining three castles would have been a very costly affair (especially after Jaehaerys I introduced his tax on rebuilding/fortifying castles) explaining the lack in cash Gyldayn mentions for Unwin. Also, there might have been some infighting among different branches of House Peake. They had three castles, after all, meaning multiple branches of the family rather than just one could have held those castles at different times, causing friction among the house and a loss of wealth.

    That Unwin being apparently pretty wealthy after his stint as Lord Regent, Protector of the Realm, and Hand of the King is not really a surprise. He was effectively king, and could have filled his coffers with money of the Crown. There was no official Master of Coin until the office was granted to Isembard Arryn, and Peake had his cronies and family in pretty much every important office in KL.

    A lot of this is speculation. Well put together and well written, but speculation all the same.

  7. 1 minute ago, KingEuronGreyjoy said:

    People who call the Starks savages are a lot like people from NYC who look down on anyone not living a city. I’d argue the Targaryens, Martells, and Lannisters are far more savage than the Starks.

    Again, I am a Stark fan. I’m not saying it out of disgust. But they practiced human sacrifice just like the Targaryens did. It’s canon. They decorated trees with the entrails of their enemies. They made rows of heads along their shores to warn Andals away. And we’ve seen the North turning back to its savage roots. Manderly has cannibalised his enemies and fed them to their allies, dubious or otherwise. Rickon is ok Skagos and I don’t doubt that he’ll be a mini wildling by the time he reappears. Bran is becoming one with the same heart trees that were fed the blood of humans over centuries of sacrifices. Jon and Rob and Arya all have/had a close bond with their direwolves. I don’t see it as a bad thing, necessarily. They live in a vicious world, and House Stark has suffered serious setbacks for drifting too far from their original purpose.

  8. I love the Starks, but even I have to admit that while they’re not monsters, they’re certainly savages. They have a lot more in common with the Free Folk than they’d ever admit, but that’s also how they survive in such a cold and cruel land. They are the standard bearers for the old gods, the ones who will fight to preserve the legacy of the Pact, the ones who remember what is coming for humankind when the Others awaken. That’s the real meaning of their house words. They are guardians against the Others, just like the Night’s Watch. But that also means that they have survived through very savage means. Make of that what you will, but I find it interesting at least. And the Starks do earn their houses’ intense loyalty in a way that House Lannister, Tully, or Baratheon will never earn.

  9. 3 hours ago, James Steller said:

    Correct. It was House Peake and House Manderly's rivalry which led to the Manderly's fleeing the Reach. 

    I would frigging love to get a novella about how the Manderly’s ended up in the North. It is such a fascinating story to me which we know nothing about. Did the Manderlys try going to other regions first? Did they sail straight to the North? What was King Stark’s reaction to learning about this flotilla of refugees off the coast of his kingdom? What did Lord Manderly say to King Stark? Did he have to pay him anything? Did he have to prove himself loyal? If so, then how did he do that? So many questions that I’d love to see answered.

  10. 12 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

    Yes, I used to enjoy reading it but my opinion of the site has decreased substantially. It presents itself as being relatively objective but it really is quite subjective. For example, Renly was described as being 'Fiercely Anti-Intellectual' which I think is a real stretch on Loras' comment about him thinking books were for maesters, and not at all how I interpreted the line when reading.

    I dunno, if the shoe fits…

    what else would you imagine that line to be about though? Renly clearly has no time for reading, even though his job should presumably involve being a studied man who knows how the law works. But we never see him actually doing anything that a Master of Laws might feasibly do.

  11. 6 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

    Why? Just because he broke a wedding contract doesn't give Walder the right to 'punish' him in whatever manner he sees fit.

    Robb was recognised as a king, by Walder himself for that matter, among other people. You cannot deny he was a king just because you don't like him.

    My friend once said that Walder should have gotten all the Northmen drunk, and instead of killing them, he should have captured them instead. Send Robb Stark and his highest born nobles bound and gagged to King‘s Landing to face justice for treason, or be used to force a surrender of the North and Riverlands. I feel like that would have been just as much of a violation of guest right as if they’d murdered the lot, though. Or would it?

  12. 27 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

    If he's so insulted he can just hole up in his castle and refuse to aid Robb anymore because of the insult. At that point Robb's not in a great position to begin another siege, with Winterfell in the hands of the Ironborn, and having lost the Karstarks and Frey soldiers, some ~6000 altogether. Then you can send a raven to Tywin offering fealty if he breaks the siege. No breach of guest right needed.

    Agreed. Walder could have easily turned his back on Robb and watched him get trapped in the Riverlands while Tywin and the Tyrells descended on him. But that wasn’t a sweet enough revenge.

  13. 6 hours ago, Vaedys Targaryen said:

    Why didn't Alysanne marry Vaegon and Maegelle to each other?

    Think about it; they're only one year apart in age (with Maegelle being the older one), they're both bookish and studious, and they're both very intelligent. Compare that with Vaegon and Daella.

    Now maybe it's just me, but I personally like to think that Vaegon would've liked Maegelle because the two of them have a lot in common, for the reasons stated above.

    Vaegon could have interacted with her if he wanted, but he doesn’t seem to have ever bothered. He wasn’t looking for someone who matched his energy, he wasn’t interested in anyone. Just a deeply introverted and antisocial little brat who buried himself in the Sept’s library the first chance he got.

  14. 1 minute ago, EggBlue said:

    "dude ! wake up!  it's your greed that's killed your wife/sister . we've both lost a lot for this pointless war that grants you nothing but sand and subjects who'll hate you . let's stop this . "

     

    “Calling me a “dude”? He dares to call me “dude”?!?!?”     *ignores bloody hand*

  15. 15 minutes ago, KingEuronGreyjoy said:

    The woman responsible for it was dead. 

    Yes, the woman responsible for an invasion of her own region. Not the actual invaders  Strange wording there.

    18 minutes ago, KingEuronGreyjoy said:

    They could’ve just returned her remains to Dragonstone as a peaches offering.

    Renly Baratheon was acting on precedent!

    Joking aside, it can’t be that either. Aegon could easily take the remains and then start the war again later down the road. Again, any self respecting diplomat wouldn’t trust people’s word, they would want a guarantee.
     

    Maybe it was a coerced confession from Rhaenys that Aegon is impotent and neither of his “sons” are biologically his. That sort of thing has no expiry date, it could easily dislodge the new Targaryen dynasty. 

  16. That doesn’t make sense. If the Dornish had tortured Rhaenys to death, then Aegon and Visenya wouldn’t have rested until the entire region was depopulated. 
     

    The only way the Dornish could avoid that fate is leverage. And if the leverage was killing Rhaenys, then the leverage is very short term. What would stop Aegon from resuming the war later? The leverage has to be something long term, or else the Targaryens have every reason to continue to avenge Rhaenys’s death. 

  17. 11 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

    there should’ve been several little Tyrions around, waddling and back flipping and killing fully grown knights who trained their entire life while wearing mismatched armor

    Joking aside, dwarfism is not necessarily passed on to one's offspring.

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