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  1. Durran Durrandon

    POEMS (or other sundry quotes) that remind you of ASOIAF

    While we are here and exploring Sunset Sea and subterranean water ways as metaphors for the weirwood net, I think it is a good idea go back and look at the Dothraki, and specifically their myths around the Womb of the World, the lake at the base of the Mother of Mountains. Daenerys is told that the lake has no bottom, connecting it with the subaquatic nether realm. Moreover, we have the Dothraki legend that the first man emerged from the lake, riding a horse. I have speculated that the Dothraki Dosh Khaleen are connected to the weirwood net and that much of their eschatology derives from this.
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    POEMS (or other sundry quotes) that remind you of ASOIAF

    I like it @Ravenous Reader. This is becoming my new answer to anyone who asks what is west of Westeros. Nothing, this page was intentionally left blank for a metaphor.
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    Connecting House Hightower/Dayne AKA The Dawn Empire mirrors

    SO, it never occurred to me that the hearts, as in the heart of shadow and the heart of winter, were mobile. I'm still not sure what I think of the notions, but metaphorically speaking we see hearts popping up a lot. The heart trees, the sword that was forged from the heart of a fallen star, a sword the was tempered by being plunged into the heart of Nissa Nissa. On a more literal level, I have always assumed that the black stone of the Bloodstone Emperor and the pale stone from which Dawn was forged are likely to be real objects that could be moved, and they could be the hearts, I had, however, assumed that the pale stone was still in the Pale Stone Tower at Starfall, so I don't know if either of the stones could be the mobile hearts. (I think the Seastone Chair could be the black stone. So it couldn't be in Stygia.)
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    Connecting House Hightower/Dayne AKA The Dawn Empire mirrors

    Though, I will note that the land walls, casually referenced in the description of Asshai's walls, do argue against a purely ceremonial city, and Vaes Dothrak does not have walls. At the same time, the residents of Asshai "do not claim to know who built their city", so they aren't claiming it was the Golden Empire in the same way the Yi Ti claim to have descended from the Golden Empire.
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    Connecting House Hightower/Dayne AKA The Dawn Empire mirrors

    I've made this argument regarding ceremonial cities several times regarding Asshai, and it always seems to fall on deaf ears. It still doesn't answer whether or not it was part of Asshai of the Golden Empire, which seems likely, but i debatable.. That said we already have another impossibly large city in the story, Vaes Dothrak, and we know why that city is that big. It is supposed to fulfill a prophecy that at one point all the Dothraki will gather there at one time, presumably, but not directly stated, under the Stallion Who Will Mount the World.
  6. So, I don't really have the time to organize my thoughts here, so I am just going to brain dump here. So, you know, I sometimes question your methodology, and it might be just that I was listening to the while putting up drywall in my garage in 95 degree weather, yesterday, but I will be damned it there really isn't a lot of tree and squirrel symbolism around Arya. Good show. The whole thing brought me back to the whole weirwood net though and your idea of these mythical being being in the weirwood net and just the notion of the spirits in the trees, like dryads.Unrelated to what you were specifically talking about at the moment, but touching on this idea, I was thinking of a children's movie my daughter has been into called the Song of the Sea. It's worth checking out actually. It's an Irish production company, not Americanized stuff, and the story revolves around a little girl whose mother is a selkie, and at the end of the movie the girl has to sing the Song of the Sea so that the fey folks can leave this world and go across the sea to Tir na Nog. This of course always makes me think of Tolkien, and then I start thinking about the Sunset Sea and the the Farwyns at Lonely Light, and the references to sea lion and seals and skinchanging surrounding them, and of course this is because it is all rooted in the same Irish and Welsh source mythology. Anyhow, the point of that little stream of consciousness rant is that, It seems increasingly obvious that the whole Ironborn mythology metaphorically references the weirwood net. In Irish folklore, Tir na Nog, is accessed through burial mounds or by passing underwater or crossing the sea. The Ironborn seem to have more than their share of the last two in their mythology. And now we finally know what the crap Patchface is talking about when he says under the sea. It's not exactly death like so many people assume. It's the weirwood net, which is the stand in for Tir na Nog. SO then today, I'm listening to the latest VOK while painting the drywall that I hung in the garage yesterday, and they are doing their reread, where they've hit Aaron's first chapter and in the chapter and they mention Aaron referencing the Drowned Moon as a time, which they were a bit confused about astronomically. So, I looked up the quote, "Seek the hill of Nagga and the bones of the Grey King’s Hall, for in that holy place when the moon has drowned and come again we shall make ourselves a worthy king, a godly king.” So, it might simply be that a Drowned Moon is a new moon, but regardless of what actual phase this references it makes sense that the visual imagery of the moon setting into the ocean would be a pretty familiar concept and the reference could be a memory of the other moon drowning in the ocean. Honestly you've probably covered all of this before, but it hit me earlier and a I thought I would share it.
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    POEMS (or other sundry quotes) that remind you of ASOIAF

    Also, whenever my kids are watching TV and Bob the Builder comes on, I get altered version of the theme song stuck in my head. "Bran the Builder, Bran the Builder, Can we build it? Yes we can!"
  8. Okay, I'm still processing the first part (I have no immediate objections), but as for the Daynes. They might have come to site of the pale stone a thousand years after it landed (I think it says somewhere that they followed the falling start,but I would have to look that up.) It still stands that if they forged Dawn from its heart and Dawn is the sword in Deanery's dream that several thousand years pass between the forging of Dawn and the Long Night/Azor Ahai. The person who found the stone still stands to be the God Emperor who returned to Essos and founded the Golden Empire of the Dawn.
  9. So, there is a thing that has always bothered me about the time line of the Dawn Era leading up to the Long Night. Deanery's vision of the Emperors of the Dawn has each of them holding a sword with pale flames. I think many of us agree that, to the extent that any of these are literal swords, that this isn't the same sword as Azor Ahai's Lightbringer, because Lightbringer was forged later by Azor Ahai, plus it's the Red Sword of Heroes not the Pale Sword of Heroes. But if this sword she sees is actually Dawn,and it was carved from the heart of a fallen star that fell at Star Fall, the this star falling is an event that is separated from the Long Night and the conjectured destruction of the second moon by thousands of years. It happened before the first men ever came to Westeros. It's seriously like the first historical event in the story. It could be that the God on Earth born of the Lion of Night and the Maiden made of Light is actually the same story as the star that fell at Star Fall. The Daynes then are not simply the descendants of a descendant of the Golden Emperors, they Golden Emperors are the descendants of a human who traveled to Start Fall to find the fallen star. Presumably, after forging the sword this ancestor returned to Essos to found the Golden Empire of the Dawn. Later, a descendant of the Golden Emperors (Amethyst Empress loyalists, perhaps) may have returned to this site, with the Dawn to found house Dayne.
  10. @hiemal This might be a good place to bring forward a crack pot we were joking about on one of LML's threads. It was based on a passage that described the upturned roots of a tree as looking like tentacles reaching up. So the crackpot is that the Sea Stone Chair is the petrified stump and roots of one of the inverted Weirwood trees we see outside of the House of the Undying.(We need a name for those things. ) Euron is drinking the Shade of the Evening, made from their blue leaves, to activate its power. This turns over the classic crackpot of the Seas Stone Chair is actually fallen black stone of the Bloodstone Emperor. If one imagines the black tree as seeded from space however, it could be both. (This is all totally in spitball mode.)
  11. Spitballing, the only place we have been told a pale star has fallen is Starfall. The Pale Stone Tower is actually a petrified weirwood tree, the original weirwood tree.
  12. Yeah, I'm definetly thinking more along the lines of magical space trees.
  13. l love rereading my comments and seeing how auto-correct has mangled my writing.
  14. There is actually a really good Radio Lab episode on this concept. I think the episode was called From Tree to Shining Tree.