Neds Secret

11 hours ago, Stonelands said:

Didn't Dany talk about wanting to burn one or two of the slaver cities to the ground in one season?  That would kill a lot of ordinary people. 

Plus, I think what you're maybe missing is that she's not only recently come to the conclusion that she'll never be loved but she now sees someone with a better claim to the throne than her who does seem to be loved.  If someone already has the potential for being mentally unhinged than I personally don't think it'd hard to see how that could prompt some pretty radical changes in behaviour.

I said it to someone earlier but I'd like to clarify again that I don't think the pacing here is perfect, I just disagree that it's nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be.

ARRRGGHHH FFS!! That was a pep talk to a bunch of Dothraki that had lost everything, delivered in order to both increase their morale and their support for her, the Dothraki follow strength  and strength alone. She promised to burn Quarth to the ground in revenge for them deliberating over whether to shun and abandon her to the garden of bones outside the city walls when Dany had barely survived the red waste and her horde were in danger of perishing, it was a threat, made out of anger and a desperate will to survive, this gambit of Daenerys, again spoken when she was dehydrated, desperate, delusional and demoralised was nowhere near a wish or longing of hers, and as such is in no way, shape or form a foreshadowing of an inclination to destroy cities or burn innocents . Any claim to the contrary is constructed of arguments and evidence as flimsy as that of d$ds portrayal of a girl that for 7.4 seasons fought with every ounce of her being to protect and dignity human life only to devolve into a maniacal war criminal and mass murderer and serial arsonist upon hearing "Christian church bells" ring that (in this episode alone, and only this episode) were meant to signify her Triumph . It was not subversion , it was farce masquerading as tragedy portrayed as Satire, sadly unintentenionally , and therein lies the real crime!

7 hours ago, darksellsword said:

I found the episode very enjoyable but after I sat down and thought about it for a while it felt very hollow on reflection. I know people have raised this issue with the show time and time again but there was so many ex machina moments that it never seemed as though anyone of note would die. D&D are on the record as saying they intentionally beefed up the female roles in the story because the fans had such a positive reaction to all the female empowerment on the show. I don't have a problem with that to an extent but I just have a horrible gut feeling that they rewrote Jon's part in the war against the night king  in the same way I sense they rewrote the battle of the bastards to make it seem as though he was incompetent and the battle was only won thanks to the intervention of Sansa. Azor Ahai (Jon) didn't wield lightbringer didn't bring the dawn but instead literally hid behind a wall while his little sister killed the Nightking, that is how bad it has become. I laughed at the scene where lyanna Mormont killed the giant, I highly doubt that will be in the books and if that isn't something George would write , ask yourselves what else is just designed for female empowerment fan fiction wish fullfilment. very entertaining predictable television tropes in the place of something that used to be groundbreaking.

23 minutes ago, cirah1712 said:

10/10. From a visual viewpoint, it was second to none, a masterclass in directing and cinematogrophy. It was so brutal in parts aswell. I can't believe Arya killed the Night King, but I'm happy it was her. Happy Bran survived, he's too important. Knew we would lose Theon, and that was pretty hard to watch. I think more characters that we know have died than we think, we just won't find out till the next episode. There are a few we didn't see after the battle ended so there fates are unknown at this point.

will somebody please tell me exactly why Bran is "too Important"? what does he do, exactly? why did the NK want him? where did he go? if some of these questions were answered it may have had the entire battle make more sense. Yes, I did enjoy Arya killing him, but I still have no idea what any of this is all about. Dothraki were sacrificed, the battle plans were imbecilic, the lighting was terrible and I still have no idea what Bran is supposedly capable of . cest la Vie 

7 hours ago, Titan of Bravos said:

Speaking of Cersei's impenetrable bodyguard, anyone else notice that he didn't step out in front of his liege when that wight was charging at her?

 

Well spotted, I too noticed that, perhaps some Zombies are scared of or below other Zombies, sort of like a class system based on who their creator is, Night King is way more badass than qyburn and Gregor feels it! 

We still have no idea whatsoever what the Nights King actually wants. What are his motivations, it seems he has no free will at all as he seems to see the future and then just act out his part in it. He does not need to feed his army so why does he need to go SOUTH, what is his endgame? I actually pondered for a minute whether Cersei or Tyrion somehow end up being The Knight King,  because he is tall I could see Tyrion choosing him and Cersei would love to be him or it, I mean the Night King may actually be the Nights Queen. I am not presenting this as a theory, I'm saying that the show has devolved into  such a Jump the Shark Deus eX Machina show that anything is possible. Cersei even having power or being Queen is not plausible because the people of Kings Landing hate her and what BannerMan would reall still support her. Why does her so called Army stay loyal to her when every other Army seems to be duplicitous, but not Cerseis. The bloody Nothern Lords change with the wind, but the Lannister soldiers are always totally solid for her, even after seeing the Dragons, Dothraki and Unsullied in this episode. The show is now a cartoon, with dialogue aimed at prepubescent males!,

4 hours ago, Lurid Jester said:

I did a "wait, what?" at this during the episode.

20k?  That's it?  Oh, and elephants??

lol 

You have to wonder what the hell the GoldenCompany are doing in Essos at the moment, who is paying them, what is keeping them together all trained and ready for war FFS. Cersei should not be queen, that Gold from HighGarden should be the only thing Euron wants from her, unless he is really the father of whatever Abomination she is currently carrying! And the Nights King has been waiting for a Viserion all along! Does he see the future and if he does why is he bothering to invade Westeros if he is going to be defeated and if he is going to win then he has certainly been patient waiting all that time just for Viserion. FFS if nobody ever went North of the wall to stop him he would not even have an army, the job of the Nights Watch should have been to bring Wildlings south all along not stop them! The Nights Watch has been aiding and abetting the Nights king all along!

5 minutes ago, Lurid Jester said:

Kind of disappointing that the NK apparently didn't have a way to take down the wall until...  you know.  It was handed to him. 

 

I cannot even!!! Bran is letting the team down badly, the Nights King has been waiting for his dragon to be delivered for 7seasons. Perhaps the entire show is from his perspective!

3 hours ago, JagLover said:

I always remember a review of the Matrix Revolutions when a critic talked about the great visuals, which was so much sound and fury signifying nothing, as it was in the service of a plot so banal.

This season, even the show itself, has been damaged by basic flaws in the writing in terms of the structure. The characters do what the plot demands so that D&D can arrive at their "awesome" moments.

Putting that aside and viewing the episode in isolation it has decent dialogue, mostly good acting, good action and excellent special effects. It feels so empty to many though as it is all part of the nonsensical quest D&D have sent them on.

In isolation I voted a 9, but it was probably more like an 8, but I understand those who are voted around the 5s. 

I do think however that people tend to attribute anything they do not understand to the show runners being stupid. 

An example of which is the fact that show Westeros is smaller than book Westeros. Which they tell you in S1E1. 

Really? Where?

8 hours ago, Darkstream said:

Well, I don't even know what to say. At this point, criticizing this show is like a grown man beating up a new born baby. I will not be voting this week, as the lowest possible vote is a one, and there is no way in Seven hells that I am going to up-vote this pathetic episode to a one.

Perhaps someone would be kind enough to post the poll results, as I am curious to see how many of the people who are constantly calling others that give the show a low score trolls, gave this episode a ten.

Oh come on Darkstream, if you can manage to not use any of your Critical faculties at all, and like to see more sharks jumped than a Sharknado movie then this episode was awesome. However, If you like characters dialogue and actions to make any sense at all, as well as a coherent plot, then this episode is probably not even worth rating! Ahh, that's what you said, basically.

47 minutes ago, Daske said:

I think it's the opposite. GoT has raised the bar so high that people are freaking out about a perceived drop in to poor quality when it doesn't match their own fan fiction. It should be this, it must be that. OK, everyone wants different things, how you rate stuff is subjective, sure. But there was a full on AD&D fight with flaming swords and a freaking undead bear. Right there, on screen! Viewers are spoiled these days. I spent a month once waiting for a schoolmate get me a dodgy VHS tape copy of a Hartnell black-and-white Doctor Who episode that was barely visible through the snowstorm and the sound was a full second out of sync. But it was AMAZING! I know I'm not alone in being so grateful that we have this show to watch - whatever faults it has with some of the writing and some of the pacing. So what? There was a freaking undead bear fight!

 

And??? Video games are also pretty awesome now compared to the 80s! Yeah the action and special effects are outstanding and some people rate that and give high scores. Some people want plot progression and logic and realistic fights and stories, even in a fantasy show so they mark lower, I find this season highly entertaining and visually stunning to watch. I'm relieved or intrigued to see characters converge that I have been waiting for for 6 years but that does not earn it a 10 for me, and so I rate it or score it accordingly. 

5 hours ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

I'd give it a 4. What could have been a tremendously exciting episode was destroyed by some of the stupidest writing the show has ever put on screen.

At one point I thought I'd simply turn off the tv if the dragons came to a last minute rescue.. not expecting that the writers would stoop so low. But they actually did.

There are many things this season which require faith and for you to leave your brain at the door, but the thought that you could run to the wall for miles in thickest winter, send a raven across a continent, prepare and fly across the continent on a dragon and find a lake... all in the space of a day... it's moronic. Not to mention the plan that got them there in the first place.

The first time the show has truly upset me with its stupidity

Goodness me..?? I never thought I'd see the day. The dragon chains were unbelievable, as was the Night King not only having absolutely no fear of dragons, being an absolute demon Javelin thrower, and the fact that the ice Spear was a lot more powerful than dragon blood,scale, fire and magic, but oh well. Viserion dying so easily was just the 58th shark that needed jumping for the episode to conclude. I gave it a 4, but I admit that I watched it and Enjoy some aspects of it enough to keep me watching and somehow enjoying it. I have to suspend my disbelief and forget about the previous seasons, and drop my expectations that it will ever deserve its seasons 1 and 2 quality and standards

8 hours ago, Curled Finger said:

3/10.   I hated Arya's story line last week and just knew there was no way the things that happened could have been what I saw.  I racked my brain trying to figure out what clever twist they had in store.   Epic failure on my part.    Good to see the Hound back to his old self again and a tickling surprise to see Beric & Thoros.   The siege of River Run wasn't really a siege at all.  Wham Bam it's over Baby.  Deeply unsatisfying.  I'm ashamed of myself for watching really.  

Your not alone

1 hour ago, Rhollo said:

His father in all seriousness threatened to murder him and "have it look like an accident".

It's quite reasonable to not speak up to such a person and rather suffer his insults in quiet. Especially while being a guest in this persons house without any means to protect oneself. Sometimes fear is a good thing.

But this makes it even stupider to steal Heartsbane imho. It gives Randyll a reason to come after Sam, even some justification to kill him eventually. If he just f---ed off during the night with Gilly and the baby, Randyll would most likely leave them alone, being glad that he doesn't have to deal with them anymore.

I actually believe that Randyll Tarly would love it if Sam stood up to him, like the Greatjon with Robb Stark in the show. Sam left for the nights watch and he's returning home with a wife and kids (of a style), Randyll most likely knows that the nights watchmen are not supposed to do this and he still welcomed him home. My take on this is Randlyll was majorly surprised by this rebellious behaviour of Sams and that he wanted to take a measure of what was going on.  Randyll might have thought "My cowardly boy has achieved the near impossible and seems to be still held in high esteem by the watch" and imo Randyll would love it if when he talked down to Sam the metamorphosis was complete and Sam stood up and told his dad to back up and pull his head in and watch his mouth about and around  Gilly. I believe that if Sam had done this Randyll would have been proud of him and impressed but Sam still failed to man up when he had the chance! Instead he snuck around like a mouse and stole the sword that he could maybe have earned by demonstrating the courage and strength Sam had shown us over the  seasons 2-5, but yet again that scene was a waste, it could have been so much better! D$D could have wrote an awesome scene depicting Sam's new spirit and bravery that he has learnt in his journey but yet again characters act like they did 4 years ago. Gilly had to step in which is even more embarrassing because Gillys father makes Sams dad look like father of the century , and yet she has to defend Sam. It's absurd and add to this that he even let his father demean and insult Gilly, who Sam says he would die for, it just gets worse and worse the more I think of it, the Scene had so much potential and it could not have been portrayed worse than it was!

I agree, Sam stole heartsbane, I do not think it brave, because he did it slyly, when nobody was watching, literally a thief in the night. Watching Sam at dinner was terrible, I was disgusted by his lack of courage, with his character regression. Sam was at the fist when the WWs struck and despite this he is still terrified of his father??! I call bullshit!! Man up Sam, stand up for youself and tell your father and the rest that WWs are real and are coming for Westeros, or F--k off! Watching that scene was horrible, Sam was supposed to have changed, to have seen the hiorror and to have found courage, but he acted like a scared little boy, I was so disappointed in him and the scene!

3 hours ago, JonSnow4President said:

I really really really don't even feel like trying to explain this one.  

When Hodor getting a heroic death (and that small statement, stripped of all the context around it) is the only positive thing I can say, they done fucked up.  

Sansa?  Makes no damn sense.  Arya isn't fucked up, but is unremarkable.  Dany if full WTF.  Tyrion is full WTF (although damn, Conleth Hill acted the shit out of that IMO). Bran is ultra super dooper WTF.  

When the show is this focused on a few storylines, and I can't begin to explain the actions of some of the main characters of the episode (Sansa, Tyrion, Night's King, Bloodraven, Iron Islanders), I'm going to give it a horrible damn rating.  

Like seriously, Sansa is trusting Littlefinger's word that Riverrun has an available army, but can't trust Jon?  WTF.  WTF.  WTF.

Normally, I can at least vaguely see where I think the showrunners are trying to go (but that I think they either fail at, or its just a stupid ass direction to go).  But I have nothing here.  

And of course, they have everyone's favorite Wight's. 

Spider Wights! Spider Wights! Does whatever a Spider can!
Crawls on walls. Stabs at dogs. Breaks down doors.
Look out, Hold the Door HODOR!

(think of Spiderman theme)

I found the show so much more palatable when the wights acted like wights. It was more nuanced, more poignant when they were creepy and looked like dead people with perhaps one mortal injury that has been reanimated (undead) , not like skeletons with Spider-Man abilities and terminator strengths. When they acted and looked like dead humans with slightly less than human strengths it just seemed so much more realistic (as odd as that sounds) but seeing them as dead humans with blue eyes that were still almost human made them seem a lot more chilling and spooky to me,. Yet again D$D chose to go down the cheesy cake road!

2 hours ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

Ok had a bit of time to gather my thoughts.

My copy was quite low quality so I'll try and watch a good one later to try and see if it changes my mind, but I'm still pretty unhappy with the things that happened in this episode, mainly because the pacing seemed all over the place.

- Sansa: Well I didn't mind this part, felt a little forced but it was to have that interaction between her and LF and really making it clear that Sansa is pissed at him and wants him to pay for what he did. I also liked that she lied to Jon, seems an interesting twist. It all felt rather plot heavy though, like they needed to hit a number of plot points, and couldn't do it elegantly.

- Arya: This seemed to go on forever, and I don't know why it was necessary. Why have more fight training? We've seen that so many times already. Faceless man talk was cool. But the Troupe.. I dunno.. something really off about it, and it went on SO LONG. I love Kevin Eldon (who played Ned Stark) but his presence here was wrong, it was too over the top and unrealistic, it didn't feel like a play from medieval times, it felt like a modern sketch show. What was the point of showing the entire Stark storyline on screen? The whole section could have been done in a couple of minutes really. 

- Dany. What was up with this. It as cheesily horrible, and poorly shot and directed. Felt so soapy. So now all Jorah has to do is go away again and get cured? Ugh.

-Bran. Ok I don't know what to think about this, it might be better on rewatch, but my inital thoughts are it was incredibly rushed, for what is some MASSIVE bits of information, to screw it up in the way they did was pretty annoying. The WW's origin is  important, so why show it in a such a shoddy way. Ok the COTF look like Star Trek aliens, which I don't like, but they shoved in the way they did it in such a clumsy manner. And now the 3 eyed raven is dead.. was that all he does?! I liked the Hodor reveal, but it doesn't make up for the cheesy Doctor Who style ending. 

 

I too am conflicted and disappointed by the 3 eyed Ravens death, it feels way way too soon and like he has bought little knowledge to Bran. All that work to get there just to view the Stark kids playing and be a prop in Hodors story. It felt way too rushed and I remember thinking Is that it?! Also the Arya scene was stupid, more fart jokes again and then a dick and then a dick joke, lame. Now we come to Euron the kin and kingslaying two eyed villain, and he comes to power by literally A DICK  JOKE, I mean seriously? For the old gods and they're gods sake, Euron pulls out 3 dick jokes after acknowledging regicide and kindlaying and becomes kingIs that the best D$D can do, I really wanted more and I am blown away by the decline in quality of GoT, I gave it a 3

9 hours ago, Rockroi said:

So, there’s this Onion show called “A Game of Thrones” and it’s a satire of the books “A Song of Ice and Fire” by George RR Martin.  Its hysterical.  Nothing on the show makes sense; they have these ham-fisted “twists” that everyone sees coming; dialog is mindless and major characters that people LOVE either 1) never show up or 2) do such lame things that it makes them seem hilarious!  Its the best comedy on TV right now.  

 

Regardless, I watch the show and here is what I thought of this week’s episode:

 

What I liked:

 

Davos: The Guy Who Says What Everyone is Thinking:  I like Davos a lot because I think it’s a good thing that there is a character who still can be a moral compass without any baggage.  He makes mistakes but he tries to do good.  That’s … refreshing.  But why is he willing to die for a guy – Jon Snow – he barely knows and who is dead? 

 

Bran’s Dreams:  This could actually be a “what I didn’t like” but I am trying to be less salty.  Watching young-Ned and Young Benjen (I know many Millennials who may not remember who Benjen Stark was- the year was 2011 and it was a strange time, but there was this stark kid named “BenJen” and the show runners used him because he was in the book, but then… FORGOT HE EVER EXISTED!) …

 

(Oh, btw – who tried to kill Bran after he was crippled?  That was a pretty important moment.  Sorry, the show runners never answered that question for you). 

 

ANYWAY… watching Bran see Lyanna and interact with that moment was very deep and also subtle.  Well done.  And I also liked the scene because it didn’t see an obvious resurrection that anyone with half a brain would have seen coming. 

 

Cersei’s Humanity: They are doing a great job in exposing the nuances behind Cersei which, I must say, are deep, convincing, believable and well-earned.  I think Headey is doing a tremendous job. And in many ways, Cersei in the show is a more compelling character than Cersei in the book. 

 

I also liked the scene because Myrcella stayed dead.  The scene didn’t foolishly make a character come back to life. Because that’s fucking stupid. 

 

What I am on the Fence About:

 

The Security at Myrcella’s Funeral:  So … the priest can just let in whoever he wants?  And they just get in?  Do they still have gold-cloaks?  I mean, it’s a good scene because Jaime was in it and he’s, basically, one of the few characters who is not 1) excruciating, 2) doing stupid things that amount to “buys work” and 3) has real emotional investment.  But … just cave the Sparrow’s head in; that insufferable, self-righteous asshole.  Okay, I liked watching the scene and the interplay but I find the Sparrow’s power to be unreasonable and unrealistic.  And yes, I know there are dragons in the universe.  But, again, at least Myrcella did not come back to life like other dumb characters. 

 

Tyrion’s Contractually Obligated Scene: Hey, look its Tyrion.  And Dragons.  We put two great tastes that taste great together!  Please forgive us for everything that happened elsewhere in this episode. 

 

What I didn’t Like:

 

 

Roose Bolton’s death: This goes with my constant complaint about the way the show is currently being run: whenever there is a stumbling block in the story; whenever there a slow point OR a conflict point, the show’s “out” is to IGNORE the conflict and just … kill a character.  Because that’s what they did. They didn’t know what to do with Roose, so the show-runners just killed him.  No conflict; no big moment; no pay-off.  Just dead.

 

Now, what about all the people who supported roose?  What about his bannermen?  His retainers?  His guards and heavies?  Did psycho-sauce Ramsey Snow-Bolton walk up to EVERY SINGL one of thiose guys with that creepy smile on his face and his “rapey” eyes and say “Hey, guy-who-has-always-been-loyal-to-my-father-since-the-Trident – let’s assassinate my father!  And you can trust me!  Look at my crazy eyes and my fucking creepy face!  And the way I am killing people arbitrarily and capriciously!  I’m just a more vicious Tywin!” 

 

See, the problem is that at LEAST when Lord Frey or Tywin or ANYONE ELSE killed a major character – there was a reason!  That they did it with some level of gain for others.  When Tywin killed Robb others MAY have found it uncomfortable… but at the very least he could show it was better for everyone- end a war, kill a traitor, make peace, secure the realm… and it your name is Lord Frey, you get to be the Lord of the Riverlands. 

 

What is it that Crazy-eyed Ramsey said or did or was able to secure for those who GAINED under Roose?  What could he do for them?  Why would they NOT … KILL HIM?! 

 

Answer?  Who knows…? 

 

Roose Bolton was a great character and he should have been better handled than “Okay-we-don’t-know-what-to-do-here-let’s-have-Ramsey-kill-him.” But, hey, at least Roose Bolton won’t stupidly come back to life. 

 

The Dumbest Scene In the Franchise: This is not hyperbole.  Lady Walda’s death is the stupidest, most empty, most vapid scene in the history of the show.  That includes every Shea scene; that includes the Dorne scenes; everything that happened on the Iron Isles all of it.  Walda’s death was the show’s ham-fisted move to try to remind us how dangerous and vicious this world is.  Okay.  We knew that.  Couldn’t just kill her off stage?  No, we have to see it? 

 

What did the first draft of that scene look like?

 

Ramsey: Lady Walda, you just gave birth and in no condition to walk around.  So of course I called you out here on a cold winter’s day. 

 

 

Lady Walda: I know, m’lord.  Its not suspicious at all.  I just went through many hours of labor and I’m completely exhausted, but here I am! 

 

 

Ramsey: Is that my brother?  Can I hold him in my creepy hooven-hands?

LW: Of course, m’lord!  In no way am I hesitant about having the bastard of my husband hold my child; because in the North, we ladies bare absolutely no suspicion of bastards; its not like for the first two seasons IT AS DRILLED INTO THE VIEWERS HEADS that bastards are not trusted; and its not like Lady Stark’s personal struggles with Jon Snow are not a major sub-theme running throughout this story!  Here is my 30-minute old child! 

 

Ramsey: (takes hold of child between his mandible-claw-like appendages) He looks delicious- I mean, healthy.  So, lets go to the kennels; a room my father has never ever been ever and lets hang out there for a bit.  (gives child back)

 

LW: Let me dimly follow you there. 

 

(They go into the kennel. The kennel must stink like dog-shit so she should know they are going to a kennel).

 

LW: My, I have no problem AT ALL with my new-born child being in a kennel with wild dogs.  Especially when I have obviously heard tails of these dogs chasing women through the countryside and eating them.  Nope!  No concerns at all. 

 

Ramsey: (Unlocks kennel doors)  I want to say that I have tricked you!  IT IS I WHO IS NOW THE LORD OF –

 

LW: Lord of Winterfell?  Yes, Ramsey we all know it.  Even I’m not that stupid.  I just have to now uselessly beg for my life- AFTER I have been locked in this room with you… (clears throat) No, please, Ramsey; please not my baby!

 

Ramsey:  No, Let me do something so fucking void of consciousness that its amazing nobody gives a shit; I will feed you to my wild dogs

 

LW: (clearly looking off-stage, a sense of doubt crossing her face) “Wait … so … you’re not going to do this off-stage?  No, you are really going to kill me so people hear me scream as the dogs eat me alive?  Really?  This was the best we could do? 

 

Ramsey: It’s a vicious time! 

 

LW: (Sigh) Okay, Ramsey; I get that.  I get that we live in a foul, horrid time and that people’s lives are meaningless.  But dow e HAVE to listen to the bones crunch down on my flesh as I scream for my life in horror?  And don’t I have people sworn to me who may have been here to prevent this catastrophe?  No?  Fuck this is so dumb!

 

Ramsey: It could be worse.

 

LW: (As dog clamps down on her neck) True; it would be worse if I was a major character who died and was suddenly brought back to life, after the show cashed in on the spectacle of my death.  That would be very lame.

 

(scene)

Ned’s Death Would Have Been Worse: So, lets just get to it- Jon Snow’s revival.  Stupid, very obvious; totally destroys the mythology that what is dead in the show stays dead; ruins the narrative.  And we all saw it coming.  Like 1000 miles away.  God it was terrible. 

 

But its sooooooo much worse than that.  Because WE ALL SAW IT COMING! 

 

Think back to when you saw the end of the first season (or if you are one of us “insufferable book readers,” when you read) Ned’s death.  You were stunned, right?  I mean, you were in UTTER SHOCK!  I mean, there are You Tube vids of fans Reacting to the shock. 

 

Like here.  

 

Here, a grown man starts CRYING over it:

 

This woman hides under a blanket like the boogey-man is about to get her:

 

Seriously, there is a play-list of 50 reactions to this.  Grown adults scream in horror. They cry.  Like if their cat died or something.   Its an amazing accomplishment for TV and GoT.  (We won’t even TALK about the Red Wedding). 

 

Now… IMAGINE… how you felt when you read/saw Jon Snow dying.  And how UTTERLY PREDICTABLE IT WAS THAT HE WOULD COME BACK!  And how void of emotion it was; lame; silly; … HOW UTTERLY PEDESTRIAN IT WAS!  How it was almost something (GASP) Network TV would do! 

 

Think about how far we have come since “Ned Dead at Baelor’s” to “Jon Snow just coming  back to life because … magic!”  Imagine if the scenes had been reversed; imagine if, for the story, the series STARTED OUT with Jon Snow’s death and immediate resurrection then ended with Ned Stark’s death?  We wouldn’t care!  Why?  Because everyone would just assume that Ned would come back to life; because that’s what shitty sci-fi series do!  They Trick the reader/viewer into believing the character is dead so they can get that HUGE payoff and reader cred, then pull a “switch-a-roo!” and, hazzah!  The character is not dead.  Lame.  Super lame. 

 

And that’s what this show is now.  Its bringing back crowd favorites while it kills everyone else because it doesn’t know what to do with them.  The show has no idea what its doing anymore. 

Bonus Stuff I Didn't Like:

 

So Now It Ends:  The teaser at the end has the scene at the Tower of Joy and it looks great.  Why?

 

Because the ToJ was a scene that GRRM wrote; not the show runners.  The Show runners are GREAT at creating and recreating stuff that GRRM already created.  They do a great job at putting on screen what he already put on paper.  The show –runners suck-out-loud at doing anything on their own that requires them having to create or interpret.  They are bad at it. 

 

That’s why that last scene is there in the teaser- it’s a plea; an ardent cry from the show runners top the viewers saying “See?  We still have the books!  We can still make this work?!  Its not terrible!”

 

Its terrible.

 

Anyway… here is a compilation of people reacting to the Red Wedding-   the best part of the series; it shows viewers invested in characetrs and literally grieving over them.  The show has lost that entirely becayusbecauseon’t have the books to draw from.  You will never see anything like this from the show ever again, because the show is not good. 

 

Final Episode Score: 3.5/10. 

 

Brilliant, and sadly so true, unfortunately you are totally correct, the show that used to be good when they copied what they saw in the books is not what it used to be. And somehow I suspect that they will never hit the heights again unless they could somehow kidnap the  author  and force him at knifepoint to write the episodes for them again, maybe they could get super Ramsay sue to do it for them, he is super evil villainy enough to pull it off!

10 hours ago, of man and wolf said:

Good episode and very entertaining. Sorry, anyone rating it a 1 is a joke of a troll at this point. Not happy unless they can critique the hell out of something.

 

Watch....this show will get less than the usual posts simply because it wasnt bad, and we know people much prefer to complain then praise.

 

9/10. Deduct a point for Olly not getting to die this episode.

You do realise what this post was saying?

Stuff happened, was slow and a bit boring, Jons back but how?

1 hour ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

Well it shows that outside of this board there is a general opinion that the episode WASN'T terrible, in fact it was very much liked. 

Even on this board more people have rated the episode a 7 or an 8 out of ten than a 1. You can really imagine the sort of people who rated it a one.

I imagine the people who rated it a 1 could possibly consist of critical thinkers unable to suspend disbelief at some of the silliness of some of the action scenes. Perhaps some people were not impressed at dialogue where male captors could do nothing but ponder on the colour of a lead female characters pubic hair. Some people may have higher expectations of the dialogue scripted in GoT and therefore voted it a 1 out of 10 due to being disappointed by these issues!

I think nobody is calling the books a masterpiece or an all time and glorious work of literature in the post-modern era.

However, I think Martin greatly suceeded in creating many rich and round characters in his epic. The whole structure of having many focalized characters is unique. Whereas in epic fantasy we nowadys normally can find the structure of a linear plot (in the sense of "characters follow plot" - since yeah we have an epic narrative) we have quite the opposite in Martin's work properly mostly due to the rather realisitc tone.

And now I think that the show mostly fails in creating something similar to the TV screen. In GOT, characters aren't fully fleshed out, they are rather one-dimensional aka flat. And what is the funniest thing that they even change their one-dimensional attitude. When Martin avoids to create fantasy's most often used theme of the external struggle of Good versus Evil by making it internal, D&D do rather the opposite. The struggle must always be external for them since I sometimes believe that D&D are afraid of producing a demanding and mature TV series.

Tyrion and Varys in ep. 10 was brilliant. I completely disagree here. Thie dialogue came out of the blue since Varys had properly hidding behind a Meereense curtain all the time. Then he simply bombs the scene and tells Tyrion how great he is.

Oh and Porne. I cannot say something positive about this Porne Plot except maybe some female body parts. But female body parts shoudn't be the focus. EDIT

I think the books are a masterpiece, and to me they are an all time great work of fiction, for any time or era, I think they are superb

Someone asked me today why I bother watching the show if I think it's so bad. Well, the show brought me to the books. I watched S1E1 at my girlfriend's insistence and fell in love with the thing. I watched the whole of season 1 that day and borrowed a copy of AGoT, to see what they were like. I read about a third of it during the night and the next day I went and bought books 1-5. So I'm eternally grateful to the show for bringing me to the books. And I genuinely thought that it was some of the best stuff on TV. I watched seasons 2 and 3, and although they had flaws, I thought that they were still pretty great. Season 4 was when I thought things started going wobbly. But I still enjoyed it and afterwards I looked to season 5 with anticipation. I was looking forward to some of the changes that they would make. But this season has been poor. It left in stuff that should have been cut, it removed stuff that should have been left in. The writing got sloppy and, at times, bad. The leaps of logic required to justify certain narratives became too much. The failures in continuity happened more and more often. Even the acting took a hit this year. But I've never been a hate watcher. I watch each episode hoping for it to be the great show that it once was. Every episode this year I hoped against the increasingly unlikely outcome that the episode would be great, or even good.

I want this show to be great. And that means criticising it when it makes mistakes. And this year there were plenty.

i feel pretty much the same

Once again you can legitimize one of the hundreds of Martell bastards running around Dorne.

But do the Russians (Martells) love their children too? Is trystane that expendable to Doran??

And how the F Varys managed to get into a pyramid? Wouldn't the Unsullied be all red alert? Did he say "I'm friends with the imp" and the Unsullied said "ah, ok!". :dunno:

i wondered about that as well

I sometimes wish that the show was made by a really bad production team. Think Xena or Vikings or Black Sails. Just so the show haters here could get a taste of how awful it could actually be. And then they might appreciate the acting and writing, which is by and large *very* good for television (except Dorne) and also the rich costume and art and set design, which is leagues beyond anything ever attempted.

It makes me sad that so many people on here can't enjoy a wonderful show just because it isn't exactly like the books.

There likely wont' be a more well-crafted fantasy series on television, at least in our lifetimes. So enjoy it, or don't, but I feel sorry that you're missing out because of your stubbornness.

it makes me sad that people being sad about the show makes you sad