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  1. Ok, I agree with that scenario. It seems more plausible and in-character. Rhaena knowing ir very likely, and she could tell Jaehaerys. Now, did Maekar I told his sons about the prophecy? I imagine he would tell Daeron, as he was named heir and Lord of Dragostone. Given that he asked Aemon to serve in the Red Keep, I would think he told him, or maybe Daeron told his brother. I don't now if Maekar told Aegon, but I'm guessing Aemon did and that's one reason why Aegon offer the Wall to Bloodraven and Aemon went with him.
  2. I agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense and that the dagger and the prophecy are more of a retcon, but I can see an scenario where Aenys told all of his children (only way for Jaehaerys to know about it) and HOTD must show a moment when Rhaenyra tell Aegon the Younger (probably on their way to Dragonstone before she dies).
  3. I get you. The dagger has been a very important topic in HOTD (and given how it ended up being a VERY important artifact in GOT) I assume we will have a detailed account on how, or at least with whom, it ends up. If the dagger (as the prophecy) is passed from king to heir, it could be that line enden up broken between Aegon II and Aegon III. My money is that the dagger would end up with either Daemon (after the Blacks take KL) or Aemond (as gift from Aegon II to his brother) and will be lost in the Battle above the God's Eye. Maybe a young Littlefinger found when he was at Riverrun. (Sidebet: He used the dagger in his duel against Brandon).
  4. I fear you may be right. The Blood and Cheese episode is one of the most atrocious acts in the war (at least when taling about Targ vs Targ in-fighting) and I will be dissapointed if Daemon is not the one responsible for that, I read him as someone who has no qualms in getting revenge or what he wants. But I think you may be into something, definitely Mysaria will have a more prominent role in the show than the books.
  5. Good point, it seems Ned wanted to "hide" Jon from the rest of the Realm, so people forgot about him. I don't see Robert fostering Jon (if he would be open to the idea of fostering bastards, he could start with their own), but he could arrange to send it somewhere and I think the only possible places are to Storm's End and grow up with Renly (the latter being six years older), or with his namesake, Jon Arryn (either in the Red Keep, which I think Ned would refuse) or in the Vale with Nestor Royce (a safe place that Ned knows well, away from the gossips of the court and from Catelyn).
  6. YG would gain some adepts by force (specially in the Stormlands) and very few by choice (Dorne and some petty lords who had a grudge against the Lannisters and see him as tool to get rid of them, maybe the Tyrells). But I don't think the Realm would flock to him: A great number of lords fought against his suppossed grandfather (Aerys II) and dethrone him. The Riverlands, Westerlands, Stormlands, and the Vale would have to accept they were in the wrong joining Robert's Rebellion before Aegon VI could accept them. Granted, he could issue pardons to get support, but what is he bringing to the table? He is just one more army (albeit a good and fresh one) in the continent. A imagine a lot not be happy to see Rhaegar' son comeback, and hold to see if he reach the throne. As @Arthur Peres said, the North would concentrate on their own problems and would not give two shits about any dragon boy. Now, how the people would react? YG can have the greatest marketing campaign the Seven Kingdoms had seen, but he's still bringing more war, he's pushing against the capital with a host of mercenaries that may or not may be welcomed (the Golden Company are Westerosi, but defeated Westerosi), and I don't think the zealots of the Faith Militant (which continues to grow) would like to return to be subjugated to dragons, once again. I think YG would find out people weren't clamoring for his return, that the lords are resisting him, that his suppossed allies are reluctant to fight and the common folk either don't care about him or see him as an abomination. In the end, I think YG would only have the support from the dornish, and when they found out he's not really Ellia's child, they would withdraw it (unless Arienne can wed him).
  7. Sure, and maybe it has something to do with they being insulate from the rest of the realm, except some Northern and close houses. I don't remember exactly how much contact the Stark boys had with the other Northern houses before Robert I visit Winterfell, but I'm positive they didn't interacted with Southern noble persons or visited anywhere below the Neck. Ned protected his family by insulate them, based on his family experience, but at the end, that hurt them. They were raised on a comfortable, noble, loving home and life came at them hard. It's not that I'm blaming Ned and Cat for not "harding" their children, is just an observation.
  8. If this is a serious thread, then I think Balon Greyjoy's only chance to win the war is if "win the war" means don't get steamrolled. The ironborn cannot win a sustained war against the mainland forces. They can only hope to raid and maybe stablish some stronghold in the western coast. If this not a serious thread, then I hope Davos resurrects and became the sizzle onion: tastier and sweeter and deadlier.
  9. I don't think is a lot of people, but some characthers that have links to the North and First Men descendents. If someone of Andal heritage said it, its probably because its sound more extreme to appeal to any god out there.
  10. Yes, he disregard some advices (mostly his mother's) and acted based on his judgment and wants. He wanted to have Theon as powerfull ally, he wanted Jon as his heir, he wanted a wife of his own choosing, and he wanted to be respected as his father. He didn't understand other people wouldn't perceived him honorable, but foolish. Or that simple, they didn't care about that. And yes, he broke his oath to Walder and thought he would forgive him. He completely missread Walder Frey (and Balon Greyjoy).
  11. Yes, I agree that some other factors, besides his decisions, weight a lot on how things ended. And as you point out, Renly's death (by freaking magic) really throw a curveball on Robb's plans and everyone. Nobody could have expected Renly would died at that time, and a lot of plans were made thinking he will come out victorious in his feud with Stannis. I concede that if Renly didn't die by a freaking shadow-murder, a lot of Robb's betrayers would have acted differently. How much? No one know. And I don't blame him for the Red Wedding, even if you think Walder is pissed, no one could think he would do such a henious act as breaking the Guest right. But my point was that, inside the things Robb had control over, he made mistakes that, add on, cause him his demise. Just like everybody, really. I'm not saying he acted wrong (in hingsight is easier to point mistakes), but he misjudged the people around him. And I blame it to his inexperience. He was a green boy that everyone liked, with a werewolf at his side, that won his first battles, and people named him king. He believe people were more honorable or duty-bound that they were and he believe he had more time.
  12. I understand he made mistakes for following his honor, and I'm not saying other people didn't have choices. The Freys, Greyjoys, Boltons, and Karstarks surely could have choose to remain loyal, or at least not betray him. But I don't agree with the following point. I do believe sending Theon away, marrying Jeyne Westerling and executing Rickard Karstark were campaign-ending mistakes. He misjudged and overestimate people's sense of duty and, more importantly, he underestimate people's ego and self-preservation. That three decisions were the end to Robb's short reign. He made enemies out of allies (or in the case of the Greyjoys, create one it wasn't there). If he didn't sent Theon he would not only have a friend in the campaign, but he would not embolded Balon to raid the land and lost Winterfell. We could argue he never think the Greyjoys would attack the North, but he should be prepared to defend it. Almost all the Northern forces were below the Neck. Maybe Balon rebel with or without Theon visiting, but he left the North vulnerable and voluntarely surrender his only bargain chip with the Lord Paramount of the Iron Islands. If he didn't marry Jeyne, he would still had the allegiance of Walder Frey. Even though the Late Lord Frey could betray him when the tide turns (specially after the Lannister victory on Blackwater Bay), up until that moment the Freys have been loyal. We don't know what Walder would have done, but the prospect of being grandfather to the heir of the North and Trident was sure attractive. Robb underestimate how important that union was for Walder and his family, and overestimate how important he think he was for the riverlords. If he didn't execute Rickard, and instead incarcerated, exile him to the Wall or even forgave him, he would not have lost som Northern support. We can especulate that Roose would still betray him, but he would have more difficult to find allies if Robb shows mercy to Rickard or understanding. He could avoid conflict among his army and the disintegration of his host if he understood his bannermen goals and reasons. If he didn't put his honor and his reasoning above anyonse else. That's the lesson for his tragic story. That honor is not the same as wisedom. Robb was honorable, like his father, but not wise.
  13. Renly's death and Jaime's release by Catelyn were events outside his control that really hurt his campaign, but he also made mistakes, either by honor or misjudgment, that weaken his position. He choose to send Theon (a hostage) back home, expecting to remain loyal to him and not his family. (I will grant that Robb maybe couldn't foresee Balon's reaction, but a little more studies into the ironborn and Balon's rebellion would have helped him). He decided to sentence Lord Karstark to death, even though he was in the middle of a war, his sons died protecting him, he was grieving (just like his mother when she release Jaime). He decided to bed and wed Jeyne Westerling, thus breaking his promise to his ally Walder Frey. He accepted being crowned king, splitting the future realm. We don't know if he would have supported Renly's or Stanni's claim to the Iron Throne, but he sent his mother to negotiate with Renly. I know some of this decisions came from a sense of duty and honor, from thinking to much about his peers, thinking they will be to be bound by honor. But his misjudgments of peoples and expectations are his own.
  14. People have the power to make their own choices, but they prefer to delegate that responsability to someone else.
  15. Robert wouldn't trust them completely. He only commanded armies of lords he trusted by family or friendship (Arryn, Stark, Tully, Baratheon) or that he defeated personally.
  16. Is there already a thread about who may have poisoned Aegon II?
  17. Most likely scenario. I'm trying to remember where I read that Ned planned to have Bran and Rickon became bannermen for his brother Robb. So, this piece of land is perfect for it: It allows the two young Stark to have a land and become lords on their own, while it doesn't substract anything from Robb's heritage.
  18. I have always believed the Starks are related to the Others. Maybe they lost their body and warged on corpses, or build their own body from ice. Maybe the succesfull Others warged in some humans that initiaded House Stark.
  19. Great theory. The Others could be just another race of men with particular reasons to move beyond the Lands of Always Winter. I'm inclining to believe some Others have lived among the men.
  20. I'm sure that's why Alyn paid the king's ransom for Viserys. Thinking about who of ther children would be king or queen was too much for him. (I started typing this as a tongue-in-cheek, but could that be the real reason Alyn paid he hefty price to the Rogares? He remember the last time a convulted line of succesion produced a conflict between siblings. Maybe he thought that his family would be tore apart (again) if Aegon III died without issue. In 134 AC, when he brought Viserys, Aegon didn't have any children).
  21. Great point. The incestuos Targaryen can only expand their family tree a bit. It also helps explain why so many stillborns. I understand it was common on the Medieval times the story is set, but I've been always curious of the need of GRRM to write so many pregnancies and stillborns (and named them) just for them to not have a role in the plot (I know it helps to illustrate how women were treated as mere birthing machines and that, in some cases, the stillborns did move the plot forward. But still, I found it fascinating. It makes me think on why the Targaryen announced either child since birth, giving the possibilities of not living many years. (I remember a costume that a Chinese person told me: He said that when a baby was born in the family, they didn't count it as a member up until he or she turned 2 years old. On the day of his/her second birthday, the will give it a name and gift him/her a token guardian. Sorry for the disgression). Aw man, how do you please a disgrunted relative, raised in the court with what is essentially a weapon of mass destruction at its command. Maybe it was a blessing, at least for the Realm, that the dragons died off. They are really a gamechanger.
  22. Surely, the Velaryon name is good enough to be the new royal house, however I feel (and its a feeling Jacearys never had the chance to decide that) that "Targaryen" would be more fitting after the whole heir of Viserys bussiness. If Jaceaerys had survived the Dance of the Dragons, been named Targaryen would help cement his status as true heir of Viserys, and if the Dance never came to happen and Rhaenyra inherit the throne paeacefully and the pass it on her son, maybe a he could have more leeway choosing between two household names. (The fact that I ommit because it remains rumor but could be in pro of Jaceaerys choosing "Velaryon" is to not give more ammunition to the rumors of his parentage). Great point, Velaryon (and more after Corlys) had the same caché at the time that Targaryen. The dragons were the key, not the last name. Targaryen, Velaryon, Waters, Storm... it doesn't matter as long as they have dragons. Exactly, Robert would have never taken the Targaryen name, even thought he could make a claim. And the Blackfyres could but, c'mon is almost as important as a Targaryen to be named after the legendary sword, which ownership is part of the claim to the throne, anyways. To bad we don't have (or I don't remember at the moment) another case of an heir taking his/her mother name.
  23. If Jacaerys would have been king I believed he would have taken the Targaryen name to further legitimized his claim. His children with Baela would also have a lot of dragon blood. (Curiosly, Jacaerys and Baela are first cousins on the Velaryon side and first cousins once removed on the Targaryen side). I assume Jacaerys could have used a split coat of arms, with the dragon and the seahorse, to reflect his heritage (ala Harry Hardyng).
  24. Really interesting scenario. I would like to see how a Targaryen cadet branch would have faired in the Dance. We kind of have this scenario with Orys Baratheon and the Blackfyres, but still seems like the Targaryen could be one huge family. That's another interesting point, its a little surprising that only (if I remember correctly) one dragonrider (Daemon) decided to have his/her own kingdom. Given the advantage of a dragon, it seems pausibly that one disgrunted Targaryen could think of building their own kingdom away from the Iron Throne. If I remember correctly, Hugh the Hammer aimed for the Iron Throne.
  25. What do we know about the Others: they like cold; they can raise the death to serve them; they are immune to cuts except if they are from dragonglass, valyrian steel, and fire (who can be related all of them); they kill the people they encounter, maim them and display their bodies in some intricate designs; they collect human babies; they've been since the Long Night. We presumed, based on some evidence, they're connected to the Children of the Forest, they have some kind of language, they are unnable to cross the Wall, and they lived in the Lands of Always Winter. They seem emotionless in its cruelty, but that's exactly like the Essosi slavemasters seem in their treatment of the slaves. They seem bent to kill all life, just like the Andals seem to the First Men, and the latter to the Children of the Forest. They don't seem human, but we have also read about some stories of almost humans: like the Men from Ib, and maybe the merlings (and not counting whatever lives in Asshai or Sothoyros). I don't think the Other will be mindless demons with no other pourpouse than to kill all mankind. It's just that we haven't read it. As I said in another thread, the Others and the Dragons are the two extremes of Planetos, the Ice and Fire of the story. The dragons are "fire made flesh" and probably enginereed. The same could be for the Others.
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