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Yes, probably. But it was completly lame to make Sam come up with this enlightened idea (intended by D&D as a cool wink at the 21th century viewer) and the acting was so predictable and off.

I thought the meeting between the great houses of Westeros was completely horrible and cringeworthy, especially Sam's proposal and the reactions to that. Worst scene of the entire show. Also Tyrion's meeting with the cabinet of fan favorites felt completly off. I thought the beginning and the end were more or less decent.

I thought this was a great episode. 9/10. The atmosphere was a dark and depressing. Some unexpected twists, but nothing too unrealistic. The foundation for the mad queeen arc was strong enough in my opinion, it would have worked better for me is she didn't go all in. Killing those soldiers with some colleteral damage (some women, children and ancient buildings) would have been sufficient for Jon to start doubting her. I thought the Clegane bowl thing was very lame. But my most serious point of criticism was the absence of Lady Stoneheart. I was really expecting the introduction of this character this week. Will be extremely pissed is she's not included next week.

This episode had the highest rating on imdb ever!!!! More so than even the Rains of Castemere. Personally, I find that very undeserved. First, the majority of the episode was mediocre (for GoT standards of course, it was way better than most shows). Just okay. The hardhame scene was brilliantly excecuted, yes, but still, it was a cliche zombie / running skeletons scene. The best one ever, but nevertheless. Lame. Boring (the concept, not the excecution). It never ceases to amaze me how people look at the same show and get different things out of it. I see GoT as an intelligent drama for adults, about psychology, politics, military strategy and also a little bit of mystery / fantasty light. But then there are also the people who think that lady stoneheart is more important than everything else and cannot wait for more white walkers to appear. Really? Are we fans of the same show?

And two of the biggest cliche-concepts in the history of film: 1. the concept of the decisive vote. 2. the concept of antidote.

Why wouldn't it be entertaining? Why are battles entertaining? Why are flayed women entertaining? Why is imprisoning innocent men entertaining? What makes rape so special that people ca'n't stop whining about it?

I also find it unconceivable that people whine about Sansa not being empowered or getting stronger. Why should she be getting stronger? What's the problem with her continuing to be a victim? You here this "argument" over and over and over again. "Now, she's a victim again!!!!" But why is that bad writing? It's much more bad writing, when she develops into a completely different personality within two or three years, starts taking revenge and kicking ass all the time....

Why is everyone so against Shireen people being killed? There are even people who will stop watching the show??? This attitude (longing for happy ends) is responsible for so much bad, cliche writing in the world of tv/movies.... As Tyrion would say: if you're longing for happiness and justice, you're watching the wrong show. I wouldn't mind Shireen being burned alive. (Precisely because she is very lovable, it would be memorable. I don't think it would be inconsistent with Stannis character either. He seems to love his daughter, but not like modern fathers love their daughters. He speaks to her once a month. And he loves his victory also. It wouldn't be bad writing imho if he decides to go along with Melisandres plan).

What? Didnt you read my excellent comments on the previous page? You cannot still endorse this post after reading my reply, can you?

What? Didnt you read my excellent comments on the previous page? You cannot still endorse this post after reading my reply, can you?

What? Didnt you read my excellent comments on the previous page?

@David: agreed. But that's a weakness i.m.h.o. I wouldn't criticize D&D for doing it right once. It doesn't make sense.

"The rape will make Sansa's revenge a hollow victory"...... So what? Why should it be a sweet victory? Sweet victories are a bit cliche. I think it is much more GoT-like to have bitter revenge than sweet revenge. "D & D could have prevented the rape in several ways"..... Yes of course, but why should they? That's the kind of cliche writing that makes viewers believe (even if the knife is one centimeter from the hero's throat; even if an army is 100 times outnumbered, etc.) that a happy end is still possible. Such an unlikely escape can be used once or twice in a seven year show, but the default should be that if a hero is in trouble, s/he should be killed, raped, tortured, etc. Otherwise, it kills the suspense and the realism. It becomes a fairytale for children. "They cut all sort of material, yet they include this rape scene"..... Yes, because D&D like this rape-scene. And why not? "But it is just for shock value!!!!" Yes, why not? Television is about eliciting emotions, that is the only reason for people to watch a show. "We care more about Sansa than about Jeyne Poole"...... Yes, that's why it is more interesting/shocking/rewarding to have Sansa raped than to have Jeyne raped. That's precisely the reason. Just like it was more interesting/shocking/rewarding to have Ned beheaded than to have Lord Umber beheaded. These kind of decisions make GoT stick out and be memorable.

So what? Then it's a hollow victory, it will not be a happy end for the Starks or for Sansa in particular. Why is that a problem? And yeah, they skipped a lot of stuff, but managed to include this rape-scene. So what? Maybe the scene was not necessary. So what? Apparantly, they liked such a scene. I liked it too. Not because I endorse rape or killing or flaying in real life, but I can like it in a tv-show. Just for shock value? Yes! Because people don't want to hear a story perse, they want a story that amuses, shocks, intrigues, moves, etc.

Yes, with me also! Apart from wantig more shock value and nudity, I thought it was very well handled, acted, directed, etc. (Of course, the fact the she agreed to go to Winterfell in the first place was very poorly handled. It was an insult to viewers intelligence).

@Killer Shark? Again, what is wrong about doing it for "cheap chock" and being insensitive? People are KILLED in the show, often only for shock value! They are TORTURED. They are HUMILIATED. They are FLAYED. The only reason that people watch tv to begin with is that they want to be moved, touched, shocked, aroused, amused, etc. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having someone raped just for shock value (in a television show, that is of course).

I read an article. I don't know if you were referring to that, but it was defenitely not a good article. It was full of utter bulshit. The scene HAD plot relevance. It showed that Ramsey is a dangerous man! Didn't we already know that? Yes, we did. But this time we saw his violence in a sexual way, which was new. More importantly, there is no one way to say HOW MUCH violence, HOW OFTEN, HOW BRUTAL is necessary to get the point accross. That is a matter of aesthetics, an artistic choice. It is obviously very hypocritical. Things happens in the show that nobody complains about, much worse things. And they happen often. Nobody cares. But when Sansa is 'raped' (let's assume she actually was raped), it is a bad thing? Why shouldn't D&D be allowed to have her raped? Even when it is just for shock value? 80% of the show is not about plot advancement, but to trigger some emotion (laughter, shock, a warm glow, etc.) 99% of the movies is about crimes, murders, etc. And if you only leave in the parts that actually advance the plot (without making some things graphic), you could shorten films and series by 80%.

Oh, this should have been poster here. Best episode of the (disappointing) season 8/10. I liked a lot of things. LF’s plan seemed to make a little bit more sense than it did a few weeks ago. It seemed to make more sense why Cersei armed the sparrows without wanting money in return.The Arya scenes were beautiful. The sandsnakes scene was bad. Everyone agrees. Enough said about it. The scene with Sansa, Miranda, Theon and Ramsay was perfect (forgetting about the stupid fact that she should never have agreed to going to Winterfell so easily in the first place). But given that she was there, it was handled very nicely. But I didn’t like the ‘tasteful’ handling of her sex scene. Come one, we had so many random, pointless tits and sex scenes with people we don’t care about! For naked women, we don’t need GoT. There’s so many excellent websites. But now, we have a girl we actually care about, are intrigued about. We saw her grow up. We heel for her. Now we DO want to see her tits. Now we DO want to see her have sex. But of all cases, THIS case is handled ‘tastefully’. Couldn’t D&D have skipped all the pointless brothel (or boat sex) scenes and replaced them with one, long, graphic, functional Sansa sex scene? I honestly don’t understand it. The viewers are also to blame. We saw endless discussions about lines like “Fetch me a block” and “Ït was Cat”. But we hear nobody complain about a much more relevant sentence that was deleted: “Reek, make her wet for me”. Why wasn’t this brutal and insightful sentence included? And to say one last thing: I think it is very strange that hundreds of posters speak of ‘rape’. Come on, if you stupidly go along with LF’s plan, then to accept Ramsay’s proposal, then to go with him to your bedroom….. You expect a man (a medieval man) NOT to have sex on his wedding night? No, calling this rape is almost as stupid as some of D&D’s writing.

I liked a lot of things. LF’s plan seemed to make a little bit more sense than it did a few weeks ago. It seemed to make more sense why Cersei armed the sparrows without wanting money in return. The Arya scenes were beautiful. The sandsnakes scene was bad. Everyone agrees. Enough said about it. The scene with Sansa, Miranda, Theon and Ramsay was perfect (forgetting about the stupid fact that she should never have agreed to going to Winterfell so easily in the first place). But given that she was there, it was handled very nicely. But I didn’t like the ‘tasteful’ handling of her sex scene. Come one, we had so many random, pointless tits and sex scenes with people we don’t care about! For naked women, we don’t need GoT. There’s so many excellent websites. But now, we have a girl we actually care about, are intrigued about. We saw her grow up. We heel for her. Now we DO want to see her tits. Now we DO want to see her have sex. But of all cases, THIS case is handled ‘tastefully’. Couldn’t D&D have skipped all the pointless brothel (or boat sex) scenes and replaced them with one, long, graphic, functional Sansa sex scene? I honestly don’t understand it. The viewers are also to blame. We saw endless discussions about lines like “Fetch me a block” and “Ït was Cat”. But we hear nobody complain about a much more relevant sentence that was deleted: “Reek, make her wet for me”. Why wasn’t this brutal and insightful sentence included? And to say one last thing: I think it is very strange that hundreds of posters speak of ‘rape’. Come on, if you stupidly go along with LF’s plan, then to accept Ramsay’s proposal, then to go with him to your bedroom….. You expect a man (a medieval man) NOT to have sex on his wedding night? No, calling this rape is almost as stupid as some of D&D’s writing.

I don't understand why people have such a problem with a girl being raped. Or that they are glad that the scene wasn't more graphic. Much more terrible things happened in the show - murder, torture. And in very graphic ways also.. The problem is not that Sansa was raped, that is fine. Because it is not real, it is a TLEVISION SHOW people!!!! The problem is bad writing. Why did she go along with LF's plan after a 20 seconds "avenge them" speech, without asking anymore info about the nature of his plan and the risks involved????

The stonemen.... that was even worse than the skeletons from S04E10. Very LOTR-like, and very lame. This is not the kind of fantasy GRRM should be writing i.m.h.o. I have no problems with dragons, as such animals could exist and they the writers don't use them too often.

I even think that, in this era of super-realistic, edgy, dark, tv-shows, we will see full intercourse (erections, ejaculations, etc.) being shown in mainstream television shows. I don't mean some kind of porn, but more realistic/graphic /explicit sex scenes when they are functional, relevant and included to begin with. I expect this within five years from now and would welcome it very much.

Olenna: can you explain why the show should be even in terms of male/female sexism? It is a STORY about a FICTIVE sexist continent. You think that even fiction is not allowed to have sexism in it?

Did you find it disgusting? It is television. It cannot be racist or unfeminist, because it's not real. If killing and torturing people is okay, why wouldn't portraying women in a certain way wouldn't be okay? (Moreover, people like nude women. Not only men, but also women enjoy beautiful women. Men look at women. Women look at women too. There is no need at all to treat male beauty and/or nudity the same as female beauty/nudity).

Wasn't it strange that Cersei allowed the HS to have an army without asking something in return? (In the book she is willing to let them have the army because she wants the debt of the crown to the church to dissappear)