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  1. Wrt show-Mithril: I guess Bilbo's chainmail was a lot more valuable than everybody thought. Seriously I does not even make sense when going with just the films.
  2. Well this was shit. I mean the whole show is shit, but someone it has become even shittier. I do not care for any of the characters and the source material get shit upon. I am rooting for the orcs and Pharazon. Seriously this show cannot even get its own timeline straight, let alone adequately explore as to why the Elves and Numenoreans would fall for Sauron. It does not even rise to the level of braindead action and drama.
  3. The sons joined in the killing and Morgoth killed Finwe and started this whole thing. If she really were as vengeance obsessed as you think her to be than she would have gone after them too. Galadriel is simply not vengeance obsessed. Or maybe Galadriel is not vengeance obsessed. If she were than indeed her inactions during the First Age would be out of character. In the versions we have, yes. Galadriel single-mindedly pursuing Sauron for centuries has no basis in any text. The quote hate NOTHING to do with Sauron. You just seem to think that her swearing vengeance and then letting it go when it leads nowhere is evidence of her swearing vengeance against a different target and then pursuing it past the point of reason. GALADRIEL NEVER SWORE ON OATH TO HUNT SAURON. Yeah I am done with you.
  4. Where? That short scene with Durin and Elrond in the elevator? That was well, short, and the show clearly potrays Durin's anger as overblown. Fair enough. Though I the fear of Elves taking ordinary jobs still does not make any sense. It would have made sense if Numenor started its colonial ventures if there was the looming prospect of jobs being exported to Middle-earth and/or cheap labor coming from ME to Numenor. They could have had arcs for mortal characters without time compression. They just needed one major time jump between the Forging of the Rings/War of the Elves and Sauron and Pharazôn's usurpation/Fall of Numenor/War of the Last Alliance. a.) It's incomplete. There needs to be -dur, -dil, -ion, etc. at the end b.) It's Elvish. Why did the quendiphobe Pharazôn give his son an elvish name when he himself does not even have one? We are supposed to think that she is putting on an act to play to people's quendiphobia out of fear of being overthrown like her father. Why is she using an elvish name if her situation appears that volatile? No, I just do not want any dumb line like that. It is hardly the only one. One would think that someone who is only 1/4 Noldo and 2/4 Teler would not say such dumb things. Not really no. Again the show clearly portrays Durin's anger is being overblown, providence is being reduced to "the sea is always right", and the imperialism is done by the wrong group. Secretive for dumb reasons. Have we watched the same show? The orcs in this travestry can not even find a single boy and cannot hit people standing out in the open. `That is not evidence of cleverness. For all we know they could have found the picture on the internet and thought that it looked neat. Maybe the even read some wikipedia articles.
  5. We do not know that, because, as you said, Feaor died and Galadriel spends the rest of the 1st Age doing nothing of significance. She does not go after the sons of Feanor (righfully it would be so incredibly dumb she would not to be her show version to consider it) or Morgoth. It is like promising to work out more and then when you find that the gym has closed down first you just drop the whole and spend the rest of the year on your couch watching Netflix Granted Galadriel did perceive in the early 2nd Age that Sauron had not been vanquished, but she did not go a vengeance driven hunt for him, she build alliances. They are changes to the character. Actions inform characters. Tolkien's Galadriel never went on a thousand year single minded all-consuming vengeance quest where she lost her ability to speak with people without insulting them. You trying to say that she might have gone, is questionable and ignores the actual reality. I think in this case it's you assuming that the writers are more clever than they are in order to prop up the show. If they actually were clever, they would made the conflict about the issues of death and immortality. Instead they went with immediately recognizable racism. These are the guys who could not come up with a way of retelling the 2nd Age without the insane time compression. Those are the guys who named Pharazôn's son "Kemen" and have Miriel formally using her Quenya instead of her Adunaic name when they are living in a quendiphobic society. These are the guys who can't even explain buoyancy. And even assuming the went through all that interlectual effort, they still went to all that effort NOT to use the themes Tolkien provided. It is like leaving immaculately styled pile of shit on someone's lawn.
  6. 1. some rumours that were swirling around before the show aired 2. his interest in smithing 3. His whole speech about how to manipulate oeople in episode 4
  7. I do not. It is just that Show-Galadriel fits no version of Tolkien's Galadriel as she would have been in the 2nd Age, where we actually do have some info about her activities, none of which involve going hunting for Sauron for centuries. And it is not like Show-Galadriel is interesting or well-written enough to compensate Here is the thing though: Feanor is not Sauron. And her desire to thwart Feanor was NOT millenia long. A desire to thwart Morgoth and/or Sauron does not translate to her actions in the show.
  8. Generally by making her more virtuous, which would does not favor her characterization in the show. That spy report was burried in a liberary in the elf-friendly part of Numenor and it looked pretty ancient. When Galadriel and Elendil visit a "House of Lore" in episode 3, at ca. 34 minutes, they show the mark of Sauron to a Lore-master who gives then what looks like a pretty ancient report of a spy.
  9. Another missed opportunity in this episode: They could have shown Elrond tending to the dwarves injured in the off-screen cave-in and set up the whole thing about him being a healer
  10. She does not say that she is merely vigilant, but that she was hunting Sauron to "the ends of the earth". Moreover it cuts to her right in the middle of hunting mission, suggesting that, yes, she has been on the hunt for that long. Did she take breaks, presumably, but considering her reaction to Elrond's suggestion later in the episode that she take a few days off, it is unlikely that these breaks lasted for a substantial amount of time. Actually she constantly acts like her mission is time-sensitive even though according to her knowledge it really should not be.
  11. From the first episode ca. 7:25 Couple that with statements that place the overthrow of Morgoth at at least a thousand years prior to the show and the reasonable assumption that Finrod's death occured shortly after Morgoth's defeat, it indeed seems that Galadriel has been on the quest for quite a while, even if the show's chronology is a bit unclear about how much time elapsed. You are right, they do not. I do not. Galadriel can oppose Sauron in more lore-accurate ways.
  12. I never said that they were mutually exclusive. However we know that she did not go on a thousand year long vengeance quest. There is also the Ban to consider, which the show omitted entirely. Rights issues are no excuse for this. If they could not get the rights to characterize her properly, then they should not have made her a main character.
  13. But we can infer a lot. We know that she was wiser than Feanor to begin with. We know that she has seen first hand the dangers of a single minded obsession. We know that she spent alot of time arround Melian and did not really participate in battles against Morgoth. We know that she might have left Beleriand before the fall of Nargothrond even. We know stayed in Middle-earth not to hunt Sauron on a quest for vengeance, but the finally found a realm of her in Middle-earth. We know that she hand in the founding of Eregion and building an alliance with the dwarves of Moria. We know that she was already married and had a daughter at this point in time. None of this leads to her characterization in the show. Faramir also got an arc in Jackson's adaptation, the quality of which is up for discussion, but that did not justify his character assassination. And no, I never claimed that "any of the Noldor ought to be automatically sensible". Galadriel is not any of the Noldor.
  14. Ok but that is not Galadriel. Granted the show did not start the whole thing about a character behaving like a family member instead of themselves, but many complain about Jackson's portrayal of Faramir without being told to just think of him as a younger Boromir. Nevermind that it is not even clear if the showrunners made Galadriel more Feanorian on purpose.
  15. Gondolin is mentioned, yes, but not in the Jackson movies. It is unlikely that they are going to throw yet another place name at casual viewers who have no connection to the place. Elrond just giving this shortened explanation would basically make him Maeglin-in-name-only. Also considering that there was the rumour about him being Galadriel's brother and that Elrond is not involved in the Southlands plot and might never be, Maeglin is unlikely. Add to that that Elrond is too young to remember Maeglin, so the reveal would be less emotionally impactful than if it is someone Galadriel knew personally. He probaby got the burn scars from the battle in the prologue. Whatever it is though, I am sure that it is going to suck.
  16. Nah. Tolkien accuracy aside, explaining Maeglin's backstory would require so much more additional context to be provided it would just confuse the casuals. It is more likely that he is something like Galadriel's brother's best friend whom Finrod left for dead and who is now back for revenge. Granted they might call him "Maeglin" in the hopes that Tolkien fans would appreciate that reference.
  17. So I finally have time to suffer through this mess Numenor Numenor suffers from two things here: Galadriel who remains as awful as ever and even ascends to new heights this episode and the lack of any exploration of the Numenorean animosity towards elves. It is all "foreigners bad", nothing else. Nothing about the fear of death and the resent towards the deathless. Blergh The teenage drama with Earien, Elrond and Kemen is there also. Normally I would resent it for taking up screen time, but as the other parts are so awful, I just do not care. Good job show. Eregion/Moria There are some genuinely nice moments here as there were in episode two. However this is undercut by making Durin the funny scottish dwarves and by the artificialness of the Elf-Dwarf conflict. Celebrimbor remains woefully underused. Southlands Adar is definitely the highlight of this episode which makes it all the sadder that the actor is wasted on this filler villain. He is also the only character I care about here. One thing that struck me in this episode is that I have no idea of how these places relate to eachother with regards to distances and time. Maybe the War of Wrath permantly warped-space time in Middle-earth. That would explain the time compression. Overall this is the best episode so far by virtue of having actual plot and Adar. Still not good.
  18. I actually disagree with regards to Celebrimbor here. Yes physically the actor is too old, his first introduction was weird as was him just leaving Elrond at the gates of Moria. However what dialogue he had with Elrond established him well and was somewhat fitting for Tolkien's character.
  19. A trailer shows Galadriel and Miriel looking into a Palantir. Speaking of Miriel: With how unfriendly the Numenoreans have become towards Elves and with how she at least publicly does not work against that sentiment, why does she use an Elvish name? It is especially weird since she remarks to Elendil that this is unusual. The same goes for Pharazôn's (the very much not elf-friend) son. "Kemen" is not only an incomplete name, but it is also an Elvish. For all the iambic speeches, they sure do not pay attention to the names. Nerwen herself can attest to that.
  20. Nevermind that the map does not exactly specify where exactly in the "Southlands" they are supposed to go
  21. Nevermind that Jackson would certainly not edit the thing down significantly.
  22. I think that this, paradoxically, is the fault of the time compression. If we were to follow Tolkien's chronology then the Rings would be forged by the end of season 1, Celebrimbor would get killed at the beginning 2, the elves would become barely important side characters when the new Numenorean characters take over in season 3, and Numenor itself would be destroyed at the end of season 4 with an entire season still left, where the Elves would then return in a greater role. Obviously the solution would be to make two shorter separated series, but alas we will be getting one big series. So the forging of the Rings "must" be delayed until later, as too keep the Elves and Celebrimbor in the show for as long as possible. Numenor and its characters "must" be present throughout the entire show and will probably get destroyed only in season 5 together with Sauron. The Dwarves likewise "need" something to do for the entire run The result is the first seasons being filler. Hence the Harfoots doing their stuff, the Southlands becoming Mordor, Celebrimbor starting his megaforge project instead and the Dwarves proabably getting Balroged much much earlier with some artificial drama regarding Mithril to keep them occupied until then.
  23. That justification does not work though precisely because the showrunners decided to change the geography of Numenor. The showrunners specifically chose the capital to look like this so that they could evoke Minas Tirith, not because of the source material.
  24. a.) Elendil did not build Minas Tirith b.) There is no reason to make this lazy justification for fanservice. The showrunners changed Numenor's geography from the source material to facilitate this. Please let me be annoyed by it. It did not make a big deal out of it.
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