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  1. Well this was shit. I mean the whole show is shit, but someone it has become even shittier.

    Spoiler

    Harfoots

    • So the timeline continues to be fucked. I have no idea which events are supposed to occur at the same time

    • The rest of the Hobbit caravan is nowhere to be seen. Our hobbits are by all rights completely and utterly lost

    • Suprise cultists, but seeing as how the Hobbits have a head start of days if not weeks, they should not be trouble.

    • So we finally see the rest of the Hobbits and their caravan is really underwhelming. As compensation their psychopathy has only grown. They do not even attempt to make a makeshift camp and post sentries. They really are trying to get at least some of them killed.

    • I guess Nori and co. have caught up

    • Sick moves, Gandalf. The whole insanity thing is getting old though. The only thing it does is manufacture pointless drama

    Southlands

    • Adar apparently wants to destroy the sun. I have nothing against batshit insane and delusional villains and the actor plays the part well, but for some reason I think that his plans are actually supposed to be achievable

    • Yeah, Bronwyn is not convincing as a leader figure no matter how much her outfit distinguishes her from the common rabble. That speech was downright pathetic. At least some of the villagers recognize that Waldeg has a point

    • Well confirmation that Adar is not Sauron.

    • Now the blood-drinking sword is a key. Screw this show.

    • „When Morgoth was at war, whole continents sank“ This shitshow has less and less excuses for its geography not making sense within Tolkien's world

    • Arondir and Bronwyn's dispute might have worked if Southlanders actually received characterization in any way.

    • Nobody should be able save them from Adar in time

    Numenor

    • If this people actually were Elendil and Isildur, I might care for their family struggles. As it is, they have done nothing to convince me why they should be in the show to beginn with..The same goes for Earien and Kemen

    • Lord „Halbrand“ at a forge, forshadowing nothing. I am still not fully convinced that he is Sauron, The writers are bad enough to go for the obvious (him), but also to set him up as a red herring with underdeveloped twist

    • „Fellowship“, screw you writers

    • Galadriel continues to be the worst person, I see. Seriously there is no reason why Halbrand specifically needs to be set-up as the ruler of the Southlands. Aragorn actually had qualifications. Though to be fair, this is the first time she actually has gone for a more subtle (for a given value of subtle) solution. Congrats on the character development

    • That fight scene was cringe, as the youth would say

    • Pharazon might just be the most intelligent character on this island and who maintains some of his canon characterizazion. I am routing for him.

    • What I am not a fan of is that Tar-Palantir has been reduced to senil old man spouting convenient prophecies

    • Well Isildur deserves to be whipped and Kemen deserves to be executed for sabotaging the war effort for no reason. Our heroes everybody

    • I am suprised that Galadriel did not attempt to stab Pharazon for disagreeing with her.

    • Why is Elendil invited to those meetings?

    • You know I wonder how Galadriel's insistence that Halbrand do something he really does not want to do would come across if the genders were flipped.

    • Ok, unless I misunderstood something and the Southland situation was going on for longer than the show would have you believe, Halbrand has to be spilling the beans about how he is Sauron without outright telling us

    • And we get confirmation that Galadriel really cannot not fight.We also get the first hint that she can feel emotions other than anger or condescension. Too little too late and it was only for a bit anyway

    • And as a final fuck you to consistency here is Galadriel in the exact same armor she wore back in Middle-earth

    Lindon

    • Gil-galad is really unsubtle, Durin is still the funny dwarf. Tables are no sacred and according to the music were procured in a sinister way. Urgh

    • Well the whole thing about mithril containing the light of the Two Trees and being needed to save the Elves from their doom is such a desecration of Tolkien AND the height of dumbassery. Screw the showrunners. I am not longer going to pretend that this is anything but shit. The fact that Gil-dullards actions wrt Galadriel do not make any sense either and are utterly ignoble, do not seem quite as atrocious in comparison

    • How did Celebrimbor get his hands on Mithril. Normally I would expect a certain someone is responsible, but the writers are so utterly moronic, that is impossible to predict this shit.

    I do not care for any of the characters and the source material get shit upon. I am rooting for the orcs and Pharazon. Seriously this show cannot even get its own timeline straight, let alone adequately explore as to why the Elves and Numenoreans would fall for Sauron.

    It does not even rise to the level of braindead action and drama.

  2. 54 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

    Neither Morgoth nor the sons of Feanor made the decision to attack the Teleri. [...]

    The sons joined in the killing and Morgoth killed Finwe and started this whole thing. If she really were as vengeance obsessed as you think her to be than she would have gone after them too. Galadriel is simply not vengeance obsessed.

    56 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

    Ahh, this seems more true to Galadriel's character indeed. Making promises and being too lazy to deliver. I was wrong. Amazon should have hired you to give us Authentic Galadriel. :rolleyes:

    Or maybe Galadriel is not vengeance obsessed. If she were than indeed her inactions during the First Age would be out of character.

    57 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

    In some versions of the story, sure. 

    In the versions we have, yes. Galadriel single-mindedly pursuing Sauron for centuries has no basis in any text.

    59 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

    It is not questionable, it is directly from the text which you ignore only because you're determined to prove every decision taken by the show is stupid.

    The quote hate NOTHING to do with Sauron. You just seem to think that her swearing vengeance and then letting it go when it leads nowhere is evidence of her swearing vengeance against a different target and then pursuing it past the point of reason.

    1 hour ago, fionwe1987 said:

    When you think Galadriel giving up on a promise to chill on the couch watching Netflix is more realistic than the show version, you've reached "rabid hater" territory. Congrats. 

    GALADRIEL NEVER SWORE ON OATH TO HUNT SAURON.

    Yeah I am done with you.

  3. 1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    Except that they have brought up death and mortality. The differing cultural views of the passage of time has been discussed multiple times so far in the series.

    Where? That short scene with Durin and Elrond in the elevator? That was well, short, and the show clearly potrays Durin's anger as overblown.

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    This particular scene was about establishing the character of Show-Pharazon, together with fleshing out the role of the Guilds in Numenoren society. These are the interest groups that will propel Pharazon to the throne later. 

    Fair enough. Though I the fear of Elves taking ordinary jobs still does not make any sense. It would have made sense if Numenor started its colonial ventures if there was the looming prospect of jobs being exported to Middle-earth and/or cheap labor coming from ME to Numenor.

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    Time-compression makes perfect sense in the context. It means you actually give your mortal characters arcs.

    They could have had arcs for mortal characters without time compression. They just needed one major time jump between the Forging of the Rings/War of the Elves and Sauron and Pharazôn's usurpation/Fall of Numenor/War of the Last Alliance.

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    Not sure what you have against Kemen.

    a.) It's incomplete. There needs to be -dur, -dil, -ion, etc. at the end

    b.) It's Elvish. Why did the quendiphobe Pharazôn give his son an elvish name when he himself does not even have one?

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    Calling her Miriel keeps things simple.

    We are supposed to think that she is putting on an act to play to people's quendiphobia out of fear of being overthrown like her father. Why is she using an elvish name if her situation appears that volatile?

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    The buoyancy thing is supposed to be poetic. Do you really want a lecture on the weight of the water displaced?

    No, I just do not want any dumb line like that. It is hardly the only one. One would think that someone who is only 1/4 Noldo and 2/4 Teler would not say such dumb things.

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    hus far the series has a very sound grasp of Tolkien's themes - far better than Jackson. Time and change, evil as corruption, Providence, Imperialism, and so on.

    Not really no. Again the show clearly portrays Durin's anger is being overblown, providence is being reduced to "the sea is always right", and the imperialism is done by the wrong group.

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    Properly secretive Dwarves

    Secretive for dumb reasons.

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    and Orcs that can actually fight.

    Have we watched the same show? The orcs in this travestry can not even find a single boy and cannot hit people standing out in the open.

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    We're dealing with a show sufficiently clever that it uses a nineteenth century painting of Empress Zenobia as the basis for Miriel's costume design...

    `That is not evidence of cleverness. For all we know they could have found the picture on the internet and thought that it looked neat. Maybe the even read some wikipedia articles.

  4. 5 hours ago, fionwe1987 said:

    Because he died. The language makes it clear that Galadriel would do whatever it took to thwart him, and there isn't much room for interpretation that she's cool down and move on in a few years:

    We do not know that, because, as you said, Feaor died and Galadriel spends the rest of the 1st Age doing nothing of significance. She does not go after the sons of Feanor (righfully it would be so incredibly dumb she would not to be her show version to consider it) or Morgoth.

    It is like promising to work out more and then when you find that the gym has closed down first you just drop the whole and spend the rest of the year on your couch watching Netflix

    Granted Galadriel did perceive in the early 2nd Age that Sauron had not been vanquished, but she did not go a vengeance driven hunt for him, she build alliances.

    5 hours ago, fionwe1987 said:

    Yes, the show has changed the target from Feanor to Sauron. Yes, where Feanor dies soon after Galadriel forms such a desire, Sauron, in the show, has millennia more of "life" to feed her burning desire. These are changes to the plot, but not changes to her character

    They are changes to the character. Actions inform characters. Tolkien's Galadriel never went on a thousand year single minded all-consuming vengeance quest where she lost her ability to speak with people without insulting them. You trying to say that she might have gone, is questionable and ignores the actual reality.

    1 hour ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    Alas, in this case I think The Rings of Power might have been too clever for its own good.

    I think in this case it's you assuming that the writers are more clever than they are in order to prop up the show. If they actually were clever, they would made the conflict about the issues of death and immortality. Instead they went with immediately recognizable racism. These are the guys who could not come up with a way of retelling the 2nd Age without the insane time compression. Those are the guys who named Pharazôn's son "Kemen" and have Miriel formally using her Quenya instead of her Adunaic name when they are living in a quendiphobic society. These are the guys who can't even explain buoyancy.

    And even assuming the went through all that interlectual effort, they still went to all that effort NOT to use the themes Tolkien provided. It is like leaving immaculately styled pile of shit on someone's lawn.

     

  5. 13 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

    Admittedly, I'm not watching this show very closely, so I may very well have missed the hints. 

    But why do people think that Halbrand is Sauron? I pegged him as a beefcake sidekick for Galadriel, who since he's not in the books, will probably die in some way that teaches her a lesson about men/mortality/blah blah.

    1. some rumours that were swirling around before the show aired

    2. his interest in smithing

    3. His whole speech about how to manipulate oeople in episode 4

  6. 24 minutes ago, Isis said:

    Some people just really, really wanted for Galadriel to be as close to PJ's third age version as possible, and rather than accept that Tolkien wrote many different versions (of her past actions/motivations, and her character) insist that their take on the varied source material proves they are correct instead of allowing that the variation means we are even LESS certain of what she actually was like. The uncertainty means that as a character she is more maleable than most. So there's not that much room for gotcha moments here.

    I do not. It is just that Show-Galadriel fits no version of Tolkien's Galadriel as she would have been in the 2nd Age, where we actually do have some info about her activities, none of which involve going hunting for Sauron for centuries.

    And it is not like Show-Galadriel is interesting or well-written enough to compensate

    24 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

    Millennia long desires to thwart someone who harmed her kin aren't outside Tolkien's conception of Galadriel. Feanor dies early, so we don't get to see this explored in the books,

    Here is the thing though: Feanor is not Sauron. And her desire to thwart Feanor was NOT millenia long. A desire to thwart Morgoth and/or Sauron does not translate to her actions in the show.

  7. 9 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

    We don't know all of this. Tolkien changed his mind on some of this quite a bit.

    Generally by making her more virtuous, which would does not favor her characterization in the show.

    1 hour ago, slant said:

    They do know what is happening in Mordor, there was a spy in the dungeons who sent back word. Presumably Numenorean spies are all over Middle Earth. 

    That spy report was burried in a liberary in the elf-friendly part of Numenor and it looked pretty ancient.

    11 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

    ???

    When Galadriel and Elendil visit a "House of Lore" in episode 3, at ca. 34 minutes, they show the mark of Sauron to a Lore-master who gives then what looks like a pretty ancient report of a spy.

  8. 6 minutes ago, DMC said:

    Again, nothing in that spoiler quote of yours suggests she's literally been on "questing" the entire time.  It just indicates she's been vigilant about it whereas others haven't.  This is you projecting.

    She does not say that she is merely vigilant, but that she was hunting Sauron to "the ends of the earth". Moreover it cuts to her right in the middle of hunting mission, suggesting that, yes, she has been on the hunt for that long. Did she take breaks, presumably, but considering her reaction to Elrond's suggestion later in the episode that she take a few days off, it is unlikely that these breaks lasted for a substantial amount of time.

    Actually she constantly acts like her mission is time-sensitive even though according to her knowledge it really should not be.

  9. 8 minutes ago, DMC said:

    Even in the pilot, I never got the impression she's literally been on a thousand year vengeance quest.

    From the first episode ca. 7:25

    Spoiler

    And there in the darkness [my brother's] vow became mine.

    And so, we hunted.

    To the ends of the earth we hunted Sauron.

    But the trail grew thin.

    Year gave way to year. Century gave way to century. And for many elves, the pain of those days passed out of thought and mind. More and more of our kind began to believe that Sauron was but a memory. And the threat at last was ended.

    I wish I could be one of them.

    Couple that with statements that place the overthrow of Morgoth at at least a thousand years prior to the show and the reasonable assumption that Finrod's death occured shortly after Morgoth's defeat, it indeed seems that Galadriel has been on the quest for quite a while, even if the show's chronology is a bit unclear about how much time elapsed.

    16 minutes ago, DMC said:

    he logistics of that don't even make sense.

    You are right, they do not.

    16 minutes ago, DMC said:

    Anyway, my point is I always viewed her staying - when reading the Silm and Unfinished Tales - as not only to establish her own realm, but also to fight Sauron.  Whereas you act like the latter is absurd.

    I do not. Galadriel can oppose Sauron in more lore-accurate ways.

  10. 2 minutes ago, DMC said:

    I mean, sure, most of this is the case, but I particularly like "we know that she might..."  And, I'm sorry, nobody can tell me why or why not she decided to remain in middle-earth after the first age.  Founding a realm and opposing Sauron are hardly mutually exclusive.

    I never said that they were mutually exclusive. However we know that she did not go on a thousand year long vengeance quest. There is also the Ban to consider, which the show omitted entirely.

    Rights issues are no excuse for this. If they could not get the rights to characterize her properly, then they should not have made her a main character.

  11. 2 minutes ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    Except that we don't know what Second Age Galadriel was like as a person. Having her start out as pseudo-Feanorian (her First Age self was Amazonian) and wind up as more wise and measured is a decent arc for five seasons. She presumably won't remain like this, it's just that the notion that any of the Noldor ought to be automatically "sensible" is a stretch. Not everyone can be a Maedhros or a Finrod.  

    But we can infer a lot. We know that she was wiser than Feanor to begin with. We know that she has seen first hand the dangers of a single minded obsession. We know that she spent alot of time arround Melian and did not really participate in battles against Morgoth. We  know that she might have left Beleriand before the fall of Nargothrond even. We know stayed in Middle-earth not to hunt Sauron on a quest for vengeance, but the finally found a realm of her in Middle-earth. We know that she hand in the founding of Eregion and building an alliance with the dwarves of Moria. We know that she was already married and had a daughter at this point in time.

    None of this leads to her characterization in the show.

    Faramir also got an arc in Jackson's adaptation, the quality of which is up for discussion, but that did not justify his character assassination.

    And no, I never claimed that "any of the Noldor ought to be automatically sensible". Galadriel is not any of the Noldor.

  12. 16 minutes ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

    Some of Galadriel's cousins were not particularly noted for diplomatic skills, and her singlemindness is basically Feanorian at this point. Show-Galadriel is easier to think of as a gender-flipped Celegorm, with a superiority complex towards Men a mile wide.

    Ok but that is not Galadriel. Granted the show did not start the whole thing about a character behaving like a family member instead of themselves, but many complain about Jackson's portrayal of Faramir without being told to just think of him as a younger Boromir.

    Nevermind that it is not even clear if the showrunners made Galadriel more Feanorian on purpose.

  13. 19 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

    Hardly. Gondolin is mentioned in LotR. All Elrond has to do is say this was his grand-uncle who betrayed his grandparents, and we're set. This isn't particularly complex. 

    Gondolin is mentioned, yes, but not in the Jackson movies. It is unlikely that they are going to throw yet another place name at casual viewers who have no connection to the place. Elrond just giving this shortened explanation would basically make him Maeglin-in-name-only.

    Also considering that there was the rumour about him being Galadriel's brother and that Elrond is not involved in the Southlands plot and might never be, Maeglin is unlikely. Add to that that Elrond is too young to remember Maeglin, so the reveal would be less emotionally impactful than if it is someone Galadriel knew personally. He probaby got the burn scars from the battle in the prologue.

    Whatever it is though, I am sure that it is going to suck.

  14. 7 minutes ago, Maltaran said:

    Interesting theory here about Adar’s identity

     

    Nah. Tolkien accuracy aside, explaining Maeglin's backstory would require so much more additional context  to be provided it would just confuse the casuals. It is more likely that he is something like Galadriel's brother's best friend whom Finrod left for dead and who is now back for revenge. Granted they might call him "Maeglin" in the hopes that Tolkien fans would appreciate that reference.

  15. So I finally have time to suffer through this mess

    Numenor

    Spoiler

    - Well we start with a prophetic dream. It is bit too normal at first, but I can accept Miriel having premonitions. Let's see how this effects her actions.

    - "Elf workers taking your trades". Ok this is just a blatant stab at anti-immigrant sentiments. Regardless of your views on matters of immigration, you have to acknowledge that this does not work here. The Numenorean sentiment is not based on the fear of losing your station but jealously for people who are perceived to have it better. This is the problem with having time compression and spending time with other shit: The themes suffer.

    - "Armenelos". Since that word does not appear in Lotr (feel free to correct me), the rights question again looms. If they could get that, they could accurately portrayed Numenor's geography.

    - On a positive note: Pharazon handled the situation extremly well. His anti-Elf sentiment is well on display. Let's hope that the Elendili do not just have plattitudes in response.

    - Galadriel is here. On a positive note, she has not managed to insult anyone so far, but her suggestion that Halbrand could be installed as King of the Southlands and that Numenor should fight the theoretcal threat there are still unreasonable. Miriel understandably declines and Galadriel looks like she is going to stab someone.

    - Well she does not go for the stabbing, yet, but seriously insulting the queen regent and demanding to speak to the manager does not help impress me, especially considering that Tar-Palantir has been deposed and holds no actual authority. She should know that, right?

    - "There is a tempest in me, it swept me to this island for a reason". Well the awful elf-lines returned with a vengeance. I hoped that I would be spared this week, but alas.

    - Hahahaha. Galadriel lands in prison. Hopefully she stays there for the rest of the show.

    - The Isildur scene is awful with the slow-motion and the whispering. Isildur deliberately putting his shipmates in danger is even worse. That does not endear him to me. I am however willing to let his character develop over the show. This is going to be the only time I am going to give the show the benefit of the doubt though

    - I could not give less fucks about the teenage love drama between Kemen and Earien. Still better than Galadriel

    - And speaking of Galadriel: The assassination of her character continues as she is taught diplomacy by a random guy she met a week ago.

    - And now she assaults the guards, lovely. And breaks into the secret tower. Fuck this shit. They do not even show it and the fight scene with the guards was pathetically short. The showrunners/writers/director(s) can not even rise to the level of mindless actions scenes.

    - No Galadriel, your weak ass apology does make up for your stupidity

    - So Miriel was putting on an act. That is fine. Now if she is supposed to be smart, she needs to approach Galadriel's request carefully and spin it in such a way that the Numenoreans are not going to rebel against her.

    - Ok needless mangling of the Palantir lore, now with them giving visions of the future. Blergh.

    - So Miriel appeals to the Valar. By all accounts that should bite in the ass later on and she should know that. If they actually established that there was a strong colonial sentiment in Numenor, she might have spun it as a mission to gather wealth and power, but alas.

    - Also Halbrand has been released for no reason.

    Numenor suffers from two things here: Galadriel who remains as awful as ever and even ascends to new heights this episode and the lack of any exploration of the Numenorean animosity towards elves. It is all "foreigners bad", nothing else. Nothing about the fear of death and the resent towards the deathless. Blergh

    The teenage drama with Earien, Elrond and Kemen is there also. Normally I would resent it for taking up screen time, but as the other parts are so awful, I just do not care. Good job show.

    Eregion/Moria

    Spoiler

    - So they already started wíth the constructing of the superforge. That was quick. I do not recall Durin senior agreeing to the proposal and it only could have been a few days. Seriosuly if the show cannot stick to Tolkien's timeline, they should at least try to keep things internally consistent.

    - Nice bit here with Celebrimbor and Elrond.

    - The timeline continues to be fucked as Elrond spontaneously teleports back into Moria.

    - Disa is lovely, yet I wish that they would turn down the accents. It really spoils the whole thing.

    - I really hope that the Elf/Darf conflict is not going to be entirely artificial and contrived

    - Doing a closeup shot of Elrond's mouth was definitely a choice.

    - So the whole thing is about Mithril as if that had not been clear. Questionably fidelity to Tolkien aside. What exactly is the dwarves problem here? It is not like the elves are going to take your mining operation and your city is obviously not dependent on imports, so why the fear?

    - Ok Durin answers that, but not really. I am pretty sure that the Elves being immortal would not mind to wait for Mithril to be mined. Are they going to demand mining quotas from the Dwarves?

    - It appears no dwarven woman gets a beard on this show

    - Nice character bits between Elrond and Durin, though I am not a fan of putting down Durin at every opportunity

    There are some genuinely nice moments here as there were in episode two. However this is undercut by making Durin the funny scottish dwarves and by the artificialness of the Elf-Dwarf conflict. Celebrimbor remains woefully underused.

    Southlands

    Spoiler

    - Well the introductory scene is good. A suprise, but a welcome one. I am not particulary interested in a detailed explanation of orc funeral rites, but it is nice to see a hint of something there. I also like Adar's reaction to the dying orc, there is some sort of affection there mixed in with the orcish brutality of just stabbing a dying person. Add to that that the actor is able to play just the right amount of cracy and it's a shame that he is likely going to be wasted on a filler villain and red herring.

    - "by the mouth of the river" I assume the mean the Sirion? Why not name it if you can get "Armenelos"? This is just irritating

    - Ok I am not going to ask who build that watchtower; the show's geography is in shambles anyway. I am going to ask though why Bronwyn is the only person in the entirety of the "Southlands" who is not a dirty unwashed peasant and who wears clothing with actual color.

    - You know Waldreg has a point. Nobody voted for Bronwyn. Insert Monty Python reference here

    - The horror elements really do not work for me. They come across as rather silly. The orc's sunlight sensivity is still all wrong.

    - Sure convenient that Arondir shows up just in the nick of time. Sure convenient that Bronwyn finds them. Convenient that the sun rises at just the right time. Convenient that the orcs do not use their anti-sun cloaks and charge them or use arrows.

    - The slowmo fight scene is awful. Was the director not competent enough?

    - I have no idea how the places relate to eachother in this show.

    Adar is definitely the highlight of this episode which makes it all the sadder that the actor is wasted on this filler villain. He is also the only character I care about here.

    One thing that struck me in this episode is that I have no idea of how these places relate to eachother with regards to distances and time. Maybe the War of Wrath permantly warped-space time in Middle-earth. That would explain the time compression.

    Overall this is the best episode so far by virtue of having actual plot and Adar. Still not good.

  16. 1 hour ago, Heartofice said:

    As for characterisation, i think the point is that RoP has done quite a poor job of establishing who these characters are as people in 3 episodes so far. Galadriel is maybe the one they’ve done most to establish, but outside of that you can’t really get a good sense of the ‘character’ of anyone or if you do it’s really not very interesting or complex

    I actually disagree with regards to Celebrimbor here. Yes physically the actor is too old, his first introduction was weird as was him just leaving Elrond at the gates of Moria. However what dialogue he had with Elrond established him well and was somewhat fitting for Tolkien's character.

  17. 2 hours ago, Cas Stark said:

    The Queen in Numemor would also have access to magic and to the palantir(s), though maybe one or more of those will show up later.

    A trailer shows Galadriel and Miriel looking into a Palantir.

    Speaking of Miriel: With how unfriendly the Numenoreans have become towards Elves and with how she at least publicly does not work against that sentiment, why does she use an Elvish name? It is especially weird since she remarks to Elendil that this is unusual.

    The same goes for Pharazôn's (the very much not elf-friend)  son. "Kemen" is not only an incomplete name, but it is also an Elvish.

    For all the iambic speeches, they sure do not pay attention to the names. Nerwen herself can attest to that.

  18. 37 minutes ago, DaveSumm said:

    I keep reading that the history of all this has been compressed and I’m struggling to reconcile with the fact that it’s been 3 hours now and nothing has happened. Our characters have moved around and uttered some place names in an overly breathy, reverential tone like we’re supposed to care. But all of this has yet to coalesce around any story. We’re still yet to get to the plot. Like I assume this is about the forging of the rings? Hence the name? But without the title to clue me in I would have literally no idea where this is going, because it hasn’t gone anywhere yet.

    I think that this, paradoxically, is the fault of the time compression. If we were to follow Tolkien's chronology then the Rings would be forged by the end of season 1, Celebrimbor would get killed at the beginning 2, the elves would become barely important side characters when the new Numenorean characters take over in season 3, and Numenor itself would be destroyed at the end of season 4 with an entire season still left, where the Elves would then return in a greater role.

    Obviously the solution would be to make two shorter separated series, but alas we will be getting one big series. So the forging of the Rings "must" be delayed until later, as too keep the Elves and Celebrimbor in the show for as long as possible. Numenor and its characters "must" be present throughout the entire show and will probably get destroyed only in season 5 together with Sauron. The Dwarves likewise "need" something to do for the entire run

    The result is the first seasons being filler. Hence the Harfoots doing their stuff, the Southlands becoming Mordor, Celebrimbor starting his megaforge project instead and the Dwarves proabably getting Balroged much much earlier with some artificial drama regarding Mithril to keep them occupied until then.

  19. 1 minute ago, Maltaran said:

    I’m not saying you can’t be annoyed (and I wasn’t commenting on the geography, just the architecture). All I’m saying is there is an obvious in-universe justification for the similarity.

    That justification does not work though precisely because the showrunners decided to change the geography of Numenor. The showrunners specifically chose the capital to look like this so that they could evoke Minas Tirith, not because of the source material.

  20. 17 minutes ago, Maltaran said:

    And to whoever said that Numenor looked like Minas Tirith - don’t you think Elendil would want to make his new city evoke his lost homeland?

     a.) Elendil did not build Minas Tirith

    b.) There is no reason to make this lazy justification for fanservice. The showrunners changed Numenor's geography from the source material to facilitate this. Please let me be annoyed by it. It did not make a big deal out of it.

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