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[Poll] How would you rate episode 510?
Pashernate Reader replied to Ran's topic in E10: Mother's Mercy
I recommend Olanzapine.- 996 replies
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[Poll] How would you rate episode 510?
Pashernate Reader replied to Ran's topic in E10: Mother's Mercy
A solid 8, and a decent end to an uneven season.- 996 replies
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[Book Spoilers] EP509 Discussion
Pashernate Reader replied to Ran's topic in E09: The Dance of Dragons
Stannis' face - haunting. He looked like a wight.- 1,625 replies
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[Poll] How would you rate episode 509?
Pashernate Reader replied to Ran's topic in E09: The Dance of Dragons
I gave the episode an 8. Would have been higher if it weren't for two things: 1. The opening raid scene was a major letdown. Ramsay says last week he's going to stop Stannis with only 20 men, and they decide THAT isn't worth depicting in any detail? 2. Dorne was once again a major disappointment. I'm guessing this week's scenes are basically it for that story till next season. What a flat resolution. Everybody promises to get along and Bronn gets an elbow to the face for his trouble. Poor bastard should'a stayed with Lollys. Otherwise it was awesome (in a gut-wrenching way), though I suspect the Stannis faction are gonna be pissed.- 671 replies
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The Hardhome scene was one of the best of the show, even though I prefer my zombies shambling. The rest of it was at least good enough not to detract from that. I gave it a 9.
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Just because the Night's Watch is made up of robbers and rapists doesn't mean Gilly had to be attacked, nor does it change why D&D chose to do so. GRRM certainly didn't need to have Gilly raped to demonstrate that there were rapists in the Night's Watch.
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Having Gilly sexually assaulted just to show what a man Sam is is arguably worse than having her assaulted to get him laid.
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Two things we already knew (heck, were already part of the episode) without having to have Gilly assaulted in order to get Sam laid. If Sam goes to Oldtown it will be because Castle Black needs a Maester, and I think he could make a really strong case for Gilly and her baby accompanying him from the Wall (which, again, is preparing for its most difficult challenge since The Long Night) without D&D having her sexually assaulted. There was absolutely no narrative necessity to her being attacked.
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If you find using a sexual assault on Gilly as a means to get Sam laid "interesting," then I guess that's your opinion.
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I bet Pycell spends the whole meeting talking about how awesome his chain is.
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Of course there are plenty of ways both GRRM and D&D could have handled this scene. That's my point. I'm still wondering why you are asking, since the scene we're discussing was most definitely not in the books. Are you seriously trying to claim that the only way D&D could have accomplished this stuff was to have another female character sexually assaulted? Not even I think their writing's that bad. The only one of the things you listed that wasn't already well established before the scene in question was "reminding us that Ghost was still at the Wall," which the scene didn't even try to explain. The direwolf just magically appears, and could have just magically appeared elsewhere. No matter how you feel about the appropriateness of having Gilly sexually assaulted, there's absolutely no argument to be made that it had to happen that way or that it was the best possible way it could have happened or that it happened already in the books. It happened that way because D&D wanted it to happen that way. They wanted Gilly attacked, and they wanted Sansa raped, just like they wanted to make Dany's first sexual encounter back in season 1 something far less consensual that it was in the book.
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D&D cut Strong Belwas. Once.
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The "purpose" for having Gilly leave with Sam was to smuggle Mance Rayder's baby out of harm's way, but that's neither here nor there. No, they haven't, but that's neither here nor there. There's nothing special about rape that translates better on the screen than the novel's actual plot, but that's neither here nor there. I don't care how faithful this episode was or was not to the source material. That ship has long since sailed. What I do give a hoot about is how D&D couldn't go one episode without gratuitously having another of the show's female characters sexually assaulted. I'll say it a third time. There are plenty of non-rapey ways to make the case for Gilly and her baby being evacuated from Castle Black, an all-male military fortification hundreds of leagues from civilization preparing to stop the biggest threat to the Watch in 8,000 years, and winter is coming. So no, the assault was not in any way necessary for the plot, nor did D&D include it in order to be faithful to the source material. It was just a narrative shortcut to finally get Sam and Gilly in bed together. Game of Thrones is hardly the first show to do this. I like to call it the Super Mario maneuver.
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Not even touching this one. Good night everybody!
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Me three. Definitely not the broken tower. He stitched her right up.
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