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  1. Looking forward to the spinoff: Weekend at Drogon's.
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    Daenerys: Analysis of psychology and foreshadowing

    At the end of the day, this is a massive failure on the part of the writers (specifically D&D). On top of what everybody else has repeated again and again, I'd say Dany also has evidence to believe that if she gains the throne, she will immediately be betrayed and deposed. Every Westerosi she's met so far has betrayed her...why would it stop once she had an even higher profile? But going back to my first sentence, Book!Dany was always headed this way. She gets considerably more ruthless with each book and her ADWD arc is entirely about trying to learn to rule instead of conquer and how it goes against her nature. She fails, her dragons stop growing, her targ heritage even rebels against her with dragon dreams and desires for blood and fire. By the end of ADWD she's clearly on the path of carnage. The showrunners wanted her to stay likable too long. They showed flashes of this behaviour and then immediately reverted her character growth to make her sweet again. They've done this weird one step forward, two steps back sort of character development with tons of characters (none more obvious than Jaime). But they wanted to match Goerge's ending and Dany didn't feel like she'd taken a dark enough turn. What to do? You can tell they had no idea how to get her into the mental state she needed to be in, so they threw every possible reason they could think of into the mix (spurned by a lover, children die, betrayed by a child, friends murdered, political schemes and betrayal, mean girl bullying, etc) and then in the 'previously on' segment, they overlayed every bit of dialog from 7 seasons related to targs going mad, as if to suggest she was 'mad' since birth and they were too dumb to show it. It's very clear they threw every idea they had at it, but knew it still didn't add up. "We gave her 12 reasons to go 'mad', plus...you know...God flipped a coin earlier" is the flimsiest writing I can imagine for something like this. It is not a convincing argument. I like this arc for Dany. The execution was unfortunate (they did do a lot to her in the limited screentime though...still wasn't enough). This post is already quite long, but I also wanted to point out that Tyrion is a BIG part of why this fell flat. Most fans don't like Tyrion's dark turn in the books, but it's clear that he will play a huge role in pushing Dany to kill everybody. He hates Cersei, loves dragons and hates the people of King's Landing since their treatment of him at his trial. The show made the same mistake of wanting to keep him kind so he could continue to be a fan favourite. This only weakened the obvious external forces to Dany burning everybody. Instead of her advisors egging her on, we have them trying to temper her aggression non-stop.
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    [Poll] How would you rate episode 805?

    I did the same. This was where her character was always going in the books, but the show failed to make the transition feel natural. Most if this episode was great. Jaime, Cersei and Arya were quite disappointing though.
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    So Jon's Toast, Right?

    Surprised nobody else thinks he's a goner. I suppose the show really is different. In the books, sending Ghost away would be pretty much a death sentence. These theories of him moving north of the wall are interesting. If Tormund, Ghost and Jon survive, I might lose my pool!
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    So Jon's Toast, Right?

    First he sends Ghost away. As a book reader this drove me nuts, but I get that it symbolizes him shedding his Stark heritage to embrace the Targ side more (damn that sounded Star Wars-y). But then his Targ familiar, Rhaegal, dies pretty much immediately. That has to mean Jon is on the chopping block for next episode, right? Or do we think the Ds are just going to ignore what the familiars mean to the Stark children?
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    What will be the final WTF moment?

    I'm not sure how Shireen's burning qualifies as a 'wtf' moment. That's one of the few things I was positive was going to happen before I even looked up online theories. To be fair, D&D didn't have ADWD yet when they heard the 3 big surprises, right? I guess ADWD is a big part of what made it obvious. Hodor was definitely a surprise. Honestly, I laughed when I saw it because it was so badly handled in the show. The premise is devastatingly sad though. I wish the show had left the books to deliver that gut punch. At this point, I'm skeptical that there will even be a third. D&D are pretty notorious for how little they actually know about the books, so it could easily be something obvious amongst theorists or something that has become obvious since they had it revealed to them.
  7. In regards to the quote from the cinematographer that said it wasn't too dark, I absolutely believe it was a way of blaming the post-production direction. I also definitely saw compression issues in a lot of the blizzard shots, which distorted the images. While watching, I idly wondered if it was a legitimate compression fuck up or a way of obscuring certain cg elements. I'm actually inclined to believe that guy (although many people thought the northern scenes for the past several seasons were generally too dark). I'm a video game developer with a degree in cg for what it's worth.
  8. I agree with everything you said except Melisandre. I feel like every arch just got obliterated by this episode. Every bit of foreshadowing just blew up in our faces, for the sole purpose of 'subverting expectations'. I'm just doing what I can to give what I saw some sort of logic, even if it's a stretch at best and BS at worst.
  9. One more thing: this is the second episode in a row that makes it seem like they composited Ghost into a couple shots after filming wrapped because they forgot about him. They didn't even have a full walk cycle on him. How he survived the suicide charge at the start and why Jon didn't care is just left for us to try not to think about. The bit of the next episode's preview that shows him alive shows the exact same camera angle as episode 2's shot of him, which makes me think it'll be more of the same.
  10. That's a really good point. I still feel like the ravens were a "Come get me" message, but you're right. It makes my attempt at reasoning even more flimsy.
  11. Long time lurker, first time poster (for the show). Had to come in and agree with what everybody's saying. It would actually be difficult to do a worse job writing this episode. It's a shame, because the CG was great, the music was enjoyable, the suspense and cinematography were decent...there was a lot right with it. If you just wanted to mow down on some popcorn and watch something mindless, it worked. That isn't what any of us wanted though. The Dothraki -as everybody has mentioned- were wasted in the most idiotic way. Where were the Parthian tactics we'd seen from previous seasons? They're supposed to be an homage to the real world Mongols for God's sake. You're telling me they don't know about horseback archery? Again, it's a shame, because the visual impact of all the lights going out was chilling, but it was prefaced by something so nonsensical that it didn't land the way it should have. Not manning the walls and placing the army outside was another confusing element. When they mentioned that part of the plan in ep 2 , I kept hoping ot was a throwaway line and wasnt the actual plan for the battle. Boy was I wrong. Also, why the hell would you put your trebuchets IN FRONT of your army? I saw full blown tactical breakdowns from fans leading up to this episode that made way more sense. The only thing I disagree with that I'm seeing here a lot is that nobody but Arya had an impact on the battle. I think what they were going for was: Dany - brought the dragons and half the army Jon - got the NK out of the air Bran - he warged the ravens to lure the NK to the godswood. The NK had seen him in this way before, so my guess is that was the purpose of the whole "I'm going now" moment. Arya - obvious Melisandre - gives a pep talk? Hound & Beric - get Arya to the goal line Theon - keeps Bran alive until the NK arrives. So technically, everybody did something...it's just all stupid. Every contribution is relatively insignificant and a huge stretch. Also, for the dragonfire vs valerian steel confusion, apparently D&D said the dagger only worked because it hit the NK in his old Dragonglass wound. My guess for their reasoning is that the dragon fire didn't get deep enough into the wound to kill. Again, ridiculous, but it's the only explanation we have now. Here's hoping George picks up the pace.