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  1. Thank you!!! In history the people who thought that they know the absolute truth and could say for sure what is absolutely good and evil , often committed out of this self-rightousness horrible crimes. There is no reason to weaken the good democratic civilised achievement of free speech and the culture of free discussing of views and arguments for any absolute truth.
  2. We had our own "hamster" experiment with masks (I posted already about it): There is a study about the one German city (Jena) which introduced face masks (in public transport and shopping) 2 weeks earlier than the rest of the country. By comparing the development of their numbers with the development of comparable cities (avarage, "synthetic control group") they got the result: " Comparing the daily growth rate in the synthetic control group with the observed daily growth rate in Jena, the latter shrinks by around 60% due to the introduction of face masks." full study: http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf We are all part of a big science experiment here, it is great when it sometimes gets such clear results...
  3. Nazi and paedophile were only examples on my side, you can insert here anything you like. I just picked IMO real odious views. But who can decide what is an odious view apart from the lawmaker? I think no one else has the right to just decide this view is unlawful and not any longer protected by free speech. apart from this no one (especially no employer) should have the right to demand a certain viewset. Which also means that as an employee I cannot demand that my fellow (example: actor) coworker should be fired only because he is a communist or whatever. Can I demand that my coworker is not a communist? If I want to "make America great again" should I complain to my employer if my coworker thinks this is BS?
  4. So you can only work with people who share your views , even if these views are totally work-unrelated and are never discussed at work (we are talking about views and not criminal actions here)? Sorry for me this feels like the McCarthy thing - you can not be an actor if you are a communist.
  5. Well as I said: No employer should have the right to demand a certain way of thinking of job-unrelated issues of his employee. In this case the laws and the constitiution IS job-related since a police officer represents the law, he is a servant of the state (which is an unusual employer) . As such the cops opinion of the law is job-related. There is no place for thinking some humans are better than other or other unconstitutional stuff. Certainly he can not keep his job.
  6. IMO the idea that you cant be fired for what you say should go very far. It is bad that the left has forgotten that, they should be on the side of the employees and free speech. The problem with a different approach is: who is defining what a bad, "odious " idea is. Exceptions: when it should be possible to get fired for your opinion: - if this idea is forbidden by law (e.g. laws about insulting others in your country); if a opinion is officially forbidden by your society (which means it was discussed and the lawmakers (the elected majority) made a law about it; then it is an official "odious view" - if the employer has to protect someone (example if you have paedophilic views (even in private) you should not be a teacher) - if you bring your views to the workplace (you try to promote your paedophilic views in your office time) But if you have paedophilic (or other; insert any "odious" views) views in your free time and your job is not children related, it should not be possible to fire you for it. So the guy you mentioned who is running around in his Nazi outfit -in his free time - it should just not be possible to fire him for it. (again if the outfit is not against the law). the modern trend of the left to demand streamlined thinking for employment is outragous. No employer should have the right to demand a certain way of thinking of job-unrelated issues of his employee.
  7. Can it be that the problem with statues are that they are perceived as being in a place of honor to honor that individual? Would it then not be the simplest solution to change the way of looking at them (perhaps by changing the inscription or adding to it). You could also look at them as art or just as history or as a useful history lesson or as a reason why some things were good or bad or need to change? Statues and memorials are just reminders, it is in our perception that it is a place of honor. You can look at a statue of columbus and remember all the pain and suffering he brought onto the American continent. Also instead of destroying what was one could think of errecting new memorials which could address untold and underrepresented parts of history . That would be much more creative and also supportive of modern artists. Also it could lead to a healing discussion in the whole community what needs to be remembered? In our country there are a lot of memorials which address dark parts of our history and it is good that they are there because it is always good to remember history and learn from it.
  8. Does wearing face masks help? There is a study about the one German city which introduced face masks (in public transport and shopping) 2 weeks earlier than the rest of the country. By comparing the development of their numbers with the development of comparable cities (avarage, "synthetic control group") they got the result: " Comparing the daily growth rate in the synthetic control group with the observed daily growth rate in Jena, the latter shrinks by around 60% due to the introduction of face masks." full study: http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf We are all part of a big science experiment here, it is great when it sometimes gets such clear results...
  9. It may be true, but it is much more likely that this is part of the chinese misinformation campaigne. We should wait for scientific (peer reviewed) publications of this theory.
  10. ehm, no, the idiots who went destroying, looting and attacing police in the city of Stuttgart two weeks ago did not wear masks , none, and they were not right wing (they cite as a reason for their actions the police control of a (white) drug user and that, you know, the police is evil, and needs to be attacted)
  11. The mortality rate may be around 0,5 percent. But that is of all infections (also the unknown). Of the known infections around 5 % will die, and the number will go up when the hospitals are overrun (so soon). So around 3000 will die per day and yes, it is too late for tracking and tracing. What are you doing over there!! A full lockdown for about 4-6 weeks is the only option and it should have been implemented about 3 weeks ago. And it is not as if this is something new and unknown like in Italy in March, now everyone knows whats going on, how to handle it, what happens if you do nothing. there really was no reason to make the same mistakes twice!!! If I were a citizen of the US, I would be somewhere between angry frustration and RAGE. So much incompetence in the leading and handling by the political class is unbelievable and unforgivable.
  12. ??? Would it not make much more sense to organize the numbers on the county level , so counties collect all data and then send it to the state and not the other way around? Information and reaction time would be so much quicker?
  13. I really do not get why it is this controversial to wear masks. As lock-down rules go this is easy to achieve and is not hard like staying at home or school closures or shop closures. About two month ago I wrote here about our countrys intention for a tracking app. This led to a long discussion about state control and data safety. Last week the tracking app was finally ready and this is how it works (or at least this is my understanding how it works): You can (but don't have to) download the tracking app from the goverment website for free. If you activate it (optinal) and if you activate Bluethooth, it will exchange a code with every other phone in the near vicinty (I think up to 4 m) which also has the app. This data will only be saved on these meeting phones (no central database). If you find out later that you were infected, you can (optional) tell this to your app, your phone will then notify all other phones which it has met. It does not give information where (so it is not known if the infected person is neighbour or a office coworker or such). If one gets such an alert on the app one can take the corona test for free even without any symptoms and quickly (though this may be wishful thinking in a major outbreak situation). I think, if this works, it looks like a good solution and data safety seems fine. 12 million (out of 80) people downloaded the app in the first week, but I think it will be much more if infections rise again; I have not downloaded it myself, since there were no infections in my city in the last 6 weeks, but I think I would use it in fall when the second wave starts.
  14. Mhn, well, a lot was said about the superior competence in handling the disease in my country, but in the last few days you could get some doubts (if you did not have them before). About ten days ago the problems in the meat factory in the county of Gütersloh emerged. Until now there are about 1800 infection confirmed (out of the 7000 employees, which were all tested). It took two days (7 days ago) to start some measures (school closures, quarantine for said workers) which is all good, BUT it took until yesterday for this county (and the neigbouring county of Warendorf) to go into lock down. this is because somehow the politicans thought that these (mostly foreign ) workers never used a bus or go to the supermarket? Now (also ten days to late) they start testing the population and look: there are major queues before the testing stations (who could have known and prepared?) But the worst are the politicians like the governor of Northrhine-Westphalia which actually said : The worst thing now would be to discriminate against the people of Gütersloh (This is also his reason to not quarantine the counties). so this weekend the summer holidays will start in the state and if no one lets him see reason, the good people of Gütersloh (who you should not dicriminate against) will be all over Europe.
  15. I think this is another reason to believe in the theory of temperature dependance. It is now quite warm in Germany (around 25 degrees Celsius), but slaughterhouses operate at around 8 degree Celsius. So heat helps a lot, but only if you don't start the air conditioning. there is also now a German study confirming that children do get the virus less likely than adults: "Of 4,932 persons tested for SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies, 64 subjects were categorized as seropositive, corresponding to a seroprevalence of 1.3% (95% confidence interval, 1.0 – 1.7%). Altogether, 19 children (0.8%; 95% confidence interval, 0.5 – 1.2%) and 45 parents (1.8%; 95% confidence interval, 1.3 – 2.4%) were seropositive. The number of seropositive individuals in the age group 1 – 5 years was 7/ 1120 (0.6%; 95% confidence interval, 0.3 – 1.3%), in the age group of 6 – 10 years 12/ 1346 (0.9%, 95% confidence interval, 0.5 – 1.6%) and in the parent group 45/ 2466 (1.8%; 95% confidence interval, 1.3 – 2.4%). In 68% of seropositive children, the corresponding parent was also seropositive." https://www.klinikum.uni-heidelberg.de/fileadmin/pressestelle/Kinderstudie/Prevalence_of_COVID-19_in_BaWu__.pdf
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