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  1. White26

    How could we find out about Aegon

    Yes and it could be said the same in history, what proof we have that one king is a son of another. There is other good Byzantine example, Leon VI the Macedonian. He wa supposed to be a son of Basil I, founder of a dynasty. Basil was an adviser of Michael III the Amorian whom he assassinated and took the throne. What is interesting, Basil was married to Eudokia Ingerina, former mistress of Michael. It is speculated that Leon VI is in fact son of Michael III, not Basil I. So officially Amorian dynasty went extinct with Michael III but there is a possiblity that it lived on through Michael VI. BTW paralel with Tywin Joanna and Aerys is striking.
  2. White26

    How could we find out about Aegon

    If he wins, he will be Aegon VI Targaryen, son of Rhaegar, if he lose, he will be branded as impostor and no one. I could even imagine it would be satisfying to Varys to put a Blackfyre on the throne in disguise. It would be in line with his whole character.
  3. White26

    How could we find out about Aegon

    Martin plays there traditional tale of usurpation of identity by a pretendent. There were many examples of it in history starting with Heliogabalus who was presented as illegitimate son of emperor Caracalla but in practice he was only a son of woman related to Julia Domna wife of emperor Septimius Severus. Still his rebellion succeeded and he was officialy a son of Caracalla (oficially Marcus Aurelius Commodus) but after his infamous reign and death, he was called Pseudo Antoninus. Other example is Pseudo Michael VII, Byzantine emperor who was in the hands of Norman duke Robert Guiscard who used him as a pretext to invade Byzantine empire. Real Michael VII was bishiop of Ephesus at the time and was later presented at besieged Dyrrachium to show that the other one is fake. There are many more but Martin based his account on the history of Jean I of France presented by Maurice Druon in The Accursed Kings which I recommend for everyone to read. Basically Jean I was replaced with son of other character, Baglioni, in order to safe his life from poisoning. He was rised as someone else. Then his identity was revealed to him by Cola di Rienzo, so called tribune of Rome which has strong resemblence to Ilirio Mopatis. He went to France but no one took his claim and was soon imprisoned and we never heard of him. This was based on real story although swapping was fictional. So in Druon's novel he was real Jean I, in history he was a fake, like with all of these pretendents who miraculously come to life in time of turbulance. What path Martin went? I don't know and probably I will never know. I agree, because the truth doesn't matter, power resides where people believe it resides. It doesn't mater if he is real or if people and nobles will trully believe he is real. It's all about power and politics, if his claim would be useful for lord then he will follow his claim. I suppose Daenerys will not believe he is real only because he can't prove it and that he stands in her way to the throne, like Aegon II stood in a way of Rhaenyra, how it ended for both of them we know and it will end probably the same for Daenerys and fAegon.
  4. I don't think that it was a "material" i.e. higborn/king blood that made a cost but knowledge of spells and magic to use it and forge valyrian steel.
  5. Not sure with kings but it is possible that Valyrian steel was created with blood sacriface/blood magic, same as dragon hatching.
  6. White26

    How destructive should the Others Invasion be?

    They will be defeated in the Riverlands I think. This region is special, not considered a kingdom, Harrenhal, battle of the Trident, God's Eye, Isle of Fces, Green Men, Old Stones, Brotherhood Without Banners, Ghost of High Heart. Many things with magical/mystic flavour to them which are all a build up to the Long Night IMHO.
  7. Are you so sure? I have a feeling Timmet will rule the Vale at the end integrating clans with the rest of society.
  8. Not sure if these are minor details or major but anyway: Story behind house Dayne and their connection to the Great Empire of the Dawn. First Long Night in Essos and its causes/what Bloodstone Emperor did. Origins of dragons. Reasons of the doom of Valyria. To see more of the Citadel. Timmet's backstory and his connection to the Arryns.
  9. White26

    Did Tywin waste his legendary wealth?

    Commerce was considered a lowborn undertaking in middle ages so I suppose it fits with Martin world as well - "counting coppers" comes to mind. Lannister power was based on land, as all other lords, what gave them adventage were gold mines.
  10. White26

    Aegon VI

    I also always though that Jon will be VII and its a reference to Henry VII, there are even clues in Henry's coat of arms: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Coat_of_Arms_of_Henry_VII_of_England_(1485-1509).svg red dragon and white hound.
  11. White26

    The Line(s) of Aerys and Rhaella (and Duncan)

    If we are looking for Duncan's children, then viable possibilites are some (Tytos) or all of the children of Gerold Lannister and Rohanne Webber. She disappeared eventually after giving birth to Jason Lannister. Imagine both Jamie and Brienne being descendants of ser Duncan.
  12. fAegon for sure. Not that he himself my be important as a character, not much chance for him being POV in Winds of Winter, but with him D&D put Dorne and Varys plot lines to the grave.
  13. There is not much to discuss regarding the show tbh.
  14. Tommen will die during the sack of King's Landing by Golden Company. Myrcella is probably dead already as someone mentioned already.
  15. Varys actions are quite confusing indeed. Think we could agree that he didn't want to put on the throne neither Viserys nor Daenerys but fAegon. His identity is speculative and I wouldn't be sure if he is or isn't a Targaryen. It would be more surprising for fAegon to be real so thn Varys' motivations would be even more mysterious.
  16. He was, before Roberts rebellion though.
  17. In the show Varys has no other motive than "for the Realm". This is the only answer, his character was cut off together with fAegon's arc. As in the books, it doesn't matter if Daenerys and Viserys had better claim since, it only matters if they receive support. But this may be a clue to hidding fAegon identity. With showing him as son of Rhaegar, they would make him rightful king with better claim than Viserys and Daenerys, although it is disputable since Aerys disinherited Aegon and Rhaenys in favour of Viserys shortly before his death. Yet with fAegon as son of Rhaegar, Varys and Iliro hope that they could get support of Dorne I suppose.
  18. Viserys or Varys? Viserys wanted to regain throne we know that. Varys wants to put fAegon on the throne. Whether he is fake or not we don't know. He may be son of Rhaegar, random Lysene or Volantine boy or a Blackfyre. In last scenario he may be a son of Ilirio Mopatis and his wife who may be a Blackfyre. Varys himself may be a Blackfyre as well. I am still wondering, if fAegon is a Blackfyre, then why all this masquarade, why they didn't show him as a Blackfyre and not invade. Why they want to give him faked legitimacy. Blackfyres have claim to the Iron Throne regardless. All of this is unclear at the moment. But we know where did Martin find inspiration for this plotline. John I of France and Baglioni are historical counterpats to fAegon while Cola di Rienzo is of Ilirio Mopatis. In reality, Baglioni claimed himself to be John I and was supported by Cola di Rienzo. This story was novelized by Maurice Druon in The Accursed Kings but there this was truly John I. As an infant John was swapped with Baglioni. John survived and was rised as Baglioni while real Baglioni was poisoned so it is the same like with fArgon who was supposedly swapped with "Pisswater prince" by Varys.
  19. They didn't want to put Viserys on the throne. They wanted to create a conflict in the Seven Kingdoms, a devastating war with Dothraki invading and pillaging + war between Lannisters and Starks. All of this would bring ruin to Westeros and then Aegon could invade and be presented as a liberator and saviour. But not all went as they wanted it to. Viserys died, Daenerys hatched dragons, war between Lannisters and Starks came quicker then they expected. So they altered their plan and wanted to join Aegon with Danny.
  20. White26

    Varys Blackfyre hint?

    It may be a hint, but as with most hints provided by Martin, its not decisive. We could explain Varys knowledge by the fact that he is a smart and elusive figure who gradually uncovered Red Keep's secrets. Other explanation - even if he is a Blackfyre, then how would he know secrets of the Red Keep? Who and how would tell him about it? Was it a secret transmitted to all successive Targaryens/Blackfyres? I doubt it. Same as I doubt that Daenerys or Viserys knew anything about it.
  21. White26

    Aegon VI

    He will be proclaimed king soon in the Winds I suppose. I would also like to see him taking King's Landing and I think he will. Daenerys' vision of cloth dragon cheered by crowd may be forshadowing it. Given how the show handled King's Landing and Cersei arc, there are two possibilities. D&D replaced Aegon arc with Cersei, or she will later replace him after his death. Maybe after sack of King's Landing Tommen will die while Cersei hide with Qyburn under the Red Keep? And later Aegon will die in explosion of the Sept of Baelor during his coronation or wedding to Arriane or Margery (second marriage would be fantastic tbh)?
  22. fAegon and with him other characters, places and plots were cut out - Varys, Arianne, Golden Company, Dorne and Stormlands.
  23. White26

    It was nice of Sansa

    To make Bran a weak ruler by declaring herself Queen just like that. Then she says that the North was independent for thousand(s?) of years. Yeah like other kingdoms didn't, especially Dorne which ruler's reaction we can see. It seems that D&D kind of forgot that Dorne remained independent for longer time than the North after Aegon's conquest (was founded much later I know, but still).
  24. He followed orders from his queen so no crime there.
  25. D&D: "Well, Grey Worm kind of forgot that Jon Snow can leave the Nights Watch and the Wall through main gate because he has plot armor and it is the last episode of Game of Thrones so nothing bad will happen to him".
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