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If Ellaria's big plan to start a war was THIS, then she's even dumber than I thought.

My preferred thing would be, they all die. Except for Davos, he's still pretty decent.

Not really. I still kind of liked Stannis back then, so I was rooting for him.

And apparently that alone was enough to get Stannis to go "ok, let's burn my baby girl" with laughable swiftness.

Given how this season has turned out, I can just as easily see it as them misinterpreting GRRM's comments: GRRM: "Yeah, Shireen gets burned in TWOW." D&D: "OH REALLY! Wow Stannis really goes that far, interesting." GRRM (after watching the episode): "Oh for goodness sake, I didn't say that Stannis was the one who does it guys, jeez." And again, even if he does, that doesn't then mean that the scene suddenly automatically works on the show. The SHOW still failed to properly lead up to it in a lot of people's minds (including mine) and that won't change when TWOW comes out.

Yeah, in the books where's he and actual interesting character. Flawed but fair. But this is far too subtle, better to make him a religious nutcase. The writer's already lost me on that one with no nonsensical her even being there in the first place continues to be. And if the Bolton's are dead, and Stannis is dead, then she can reclaim what is rightfully hers.

Yeah, in the books where's he and actual interesting character. Flawed but fair. But this is far too subtle, better to make him a religious nutcase.

No, I'm not rooting for Ramsay. That's another problem with the Stannis thing, it completely kills ANY interest that I had in this conflict. Now, it's just two sides led by despicable people fight each other, and I don't care who wins. Heck the best thing would probably be for Jon and Davos to kill them ALL, that'd at least be cathartic.

And that's the point. It's one think that have dark/horrible crap happen to people. It's another thing to have nothing but unrelenting misery all the time. NOTHING good EVER happens to ANYONE who isn't evil or vile. Especially since the show apparently has forgotten how to execute said scenes in believable/convincing manners. They failed with Sansa, they've repeatedly failed with the Dorne, and they failed with this as well. So they cannot even execute their horrible crap WELL, which is even worse.

I'll be really curious to see what the ratings are going forward. D&D must be REALLY confident in themselves, because they're REALLY pushing their luck this season. -They did the Sansa thing, which has been "controversial" to say the least. -They've done the Dorne plotline, which has just flat-out been disliked in general. -Now they've done this. I'm wondering if, should this continue, some people are just going to go "ok I'm done. Enough is enough."

Yeah actually it is. They've already made big changes, so make more. You cannot pick and choose when you use the "but, but it happened this way in the book." Not with this precedent already set.

Why did we need to be reminded YET AGAIN that the NW is full of unsavory characters, or that they're not really trustworthy. It's not like that hasn't been made abundantly clear in the past, so the point is what exactly? Also, I'm sure that attempted rape is just the thing to get a woman "in the mood." Wow, I feel dumber just typing that, great job there D&D.

Have there be a fight/dispute that doesn't involve attempted rape. Wow, that was pretty easily actually.

Yeah, don't have her saving LF's backside last season, then having that cool conversation with him, and then that final shot of her "new look" on the stairs which was clearly meant to tease the audience with "Sansa has arrived," only to pull this crap. Also, if you're going to try, come up with a better justification for it.

Well the show hasn't done a particularly good job of showing the effects of the war on Westeros as a whole. If it's outside the major cast, then it's either absent of barely referenced.

Plus it's Bronn. I don't think that a half-naked woman is going to immediately get his heart racing. He's had PLENTY of experience in that area after all, he's used to it by now.

Plus he was fighting last episode and singing this one. So why didn't THOSE speed up the poison? Is it boob-activated or something?

Well this plot has made no sense from minute one, so why not go full-bore with it? Complete the trainwreck so to speak.

And it gets old/boring after awhile (not to mention REALLY predictable).

It'd help if: -The reason for her being there at all made sense. -We hadn't have done this kind of thing with her character repeatedly already, over multiple seasons with multiple characters.

The fact that Sansa there at all still makes no sense. And no "vague notions of revenge" is not a good enough justification. Also, The HS/FM stuff is also making less and less sense as we go along to.

Except that the writer's claim that LF didn't know about Ramsay's "habits," and that he wouldn't have sent her in there if he had know. Yeah, that makes no sense, but that's their explanation.

Oh I completely agree that in the context of the show, what Ramsay did is in-character. And I suppose that not showing must of it was uncharacteristic restraint on the writer's part (I'm wondering if that decision was a request for Sophie, or her being still pretty young, or something like that). I'm very mixed on the Theon thing. As I said, it does show some unusual restraints for this show, but I can also fully understand why some people take issue with focusing on HIS reaction during HER rape. So it's not the context of the scene itself that bugs me. I don't like that they felt the need to put her in that situation in the first place (and they've apparently been tossing this idea around since Season 2, which makes it worse).

Oh I can tell you why she's there. D&D: "We needed to empower Sansa and give her more to do. So of course we used a rape, that works for character motivation right? Come on, why were you expecting us to do anything different for a change, writing is hard and this was the easiest way to do it?"

Hey if you enjoy it, more power to you. I'm not saying that you cannot, nor do I mind at all that you do. And no, I don't have a problem with suffering or cruelty in fiction, far from it. I don't even have a problem with quite a bit of it on this show. BUT, that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING that they do will automatically work. "Dark" isn't automatically "good" just because it's "dark." I hate the idea that "lets rape/violate a female character" is the only way that they can think of to "further" Theon's story. There's PLENTY of other stuff that he's seen/endured that could have easily done that, without resorting to this tired/overused plot device. And it reduces the actual victim to merely being a prop in someone else's story, which is even more problematic.